From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@9fans.net From: "Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)" Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:14:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Broken Hardware List Topicbox-Message-UUID: b3e500b0-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 The Wiki's supported hardware list is getting quite moldy. I've created a new page for known broken hardware, working on the theory that people pissed off are more likely to document breakage than the blissful are their success. It's linked from the supported hardware page. --lyndon From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:33:58 -0500 To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <0746f3ce53f506ba1b4668360a4fba5d@ladd.quanstro.net> In-Reply-To: <> References: <> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Broken Hardware List Topicbox-Message-UUID: b3f67e3a-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Wed Dec 30 19:18:18 EST 2009, lyndon@orthanc.ca wrote: > The Wiki's supported hardware list is getting quite moldy. > > I've created a new page for known broken hardware, working on > the theory that people pissed off are more likely to document > breakage than the blissful are their success. > > It's linked from the supported hardware page. i believe that richard miller has the intel D945GCLF2 working via some careful hacking. (i.e. a hand-coded mp table.) - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@9fans.net From: "Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)" Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:44:30 -0700 In-Reply-To: <0746f3ce53f506ba1b4668360a4fba5d@ladd.quanstro.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Broken Hardware List Topicbox-Message-UUID: b3fc329e-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > i believe that richard miller has the intel D945GCLF2 > working via some careful hacking. (i.e. a hand-coded > mp table.) It was easier to buy something that actually worked. As for that Intel piece of shit, I'm going to blend it during the transition to 2010. --lyndon From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <0746f3ce53f506ba1b4668360a4fba5d@ladd.quanstro.net> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:49:26 -0800 Message-ID: <3e1162e60912301849o71b50ab3v3a2d483009abfcf1@mail.gmail.com> From: David Leimbach To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd71a20a616df047bfd4dc9 Subject: Re: [9fans] Broken Hardware List Topicbox-Message-UUID: b4064af4-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --000e0cd71a20a616df047bfd4dc9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) < lyndon@orthanc.ca> wrote: > > i believe that richard miller has the intel D945GCLF2 > > working via some careful hacking. (i.e. a hand-coded > > mp table.) > > It was easier to buy something that actually worked. As for that > Intel piece of shit, I'm going to blend it during the transition > to 2010. > > --lyndon > > > Blendtech? --000e0cd71a20a616df047bfd4dc9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Lyndon = Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) <lyndon@orthanc.ca> wrote:
> i believe that richard miller has the intel D945GCLF= 2
> working via some careful hacking. =A0(i.e. a hand-coded
> mp table.)

It was easier to buy something that actually worked. As for that
Intel piece of shit, I'm going to blend it during the transition
to 2010.

--lyndon


Blendtech? --000e0cd71a20a616df047bfd4dc9-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:52:51 -0500 To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <> References: <> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Broken Hardware List Topicbox-Message-UUID: b40b8e88-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Wed Dec 30 21:47:08 EST 2009, lyndon@orthanc.ca wrote: > > i believe that richard miller has the intel D945GCLF2 > > working via some careful hacking. (i.e. a hand-coded > > mp table.) > > It was easier to buy something that actually worked. As for that > Intel piece of shit, I'm going to blend it during the transition > to 2010. i think it would be more valuable to explain exactly what's not working and point to some of the workarounds, if they exist. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <3f6628a8753ea3a926637280b7ff0e83@yyc.orthanc.ca> To: 9fans@9fans.net From: "Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)" Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:17:08 -0700 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Broken Hardware List Topicbox-Message-UUID: b410a08a-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > i think it would be more valuable to explain exactly what's > not working and point to some of the workarounds, if they exist. What's not working is the ACPI component of the BIOS. The P9 boot fails very early on (right after E820 I think). FreeBSD runs, but something in the ACPI code wakes up every couple of seconds and leaps into the ACPI BIOS code. While it's in there it locks out all hardware interrupts for 2-5 seconds, which makes the box pretty much unusable for anything close to interactive work. As to workarounds, I worked around to the computer store and bought a non-Intel motherboard that actually implements Intel's ACPI spec somewhat correctly. I'm not going to spend time I could be billing out to try to fix a completely braindead motherboard that I can replace for what I earn in an hour or two. Shitty hardware like this deserves to die, not get fixed. --lyndon From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@9fans.net From: Richard Miller <9fans@hamnavoe.com> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:26:09 +0000 In-Reply-To: <0746f3ce53f506ba1b4668360a4fba5d@ladd.quanstro.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Broken Hardware List Topicbox-Message-UUID: b4de00b6-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > i believe that richard miller has the intel D945GCLF2 > working via some careful hacking. (i.e. a hand-coded > mp table.) No, my hack was for the Jetway NC92-330 motherboard, not the Intel board. The Jetway gets the MP table only slightly wrong, so it's easy to fix up. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 10:19:31 -0500 To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <4279ac024d1b9c64e89aa64cd24d4b80@ladd.quanstro.net> In-Reply-To: <> References: <> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Broken Hardware List Topicbox-Message-UUID: b4e30b1a-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > > i believe that richard miller has the intel D945GCLF2 > > working via some careful hacking. (i.e. a hand-coded > > mp table.) > > No, my hack was for the Jetway NC92-330 motherboard, not > the Intel board. The Jetway gets the MP table only > slightly wrong, so it's easy to fix up. sorry. my mistake it was somebody else that i helped get that particular board mostly working. iirc, the reason this board hangs is because of the ich bug. (ide interface.) there's no mp table and one other serious irq annoyance. but i believe this motherboard can boot with 9atom, if very s-l-o-w-l-y. also no ahci. you can get it working, but do yourself a favor, if you're buying, consider an upgrade. this motherboard does have a proper mp table, has 1 pata channel and supports ahci on all 6 ports. 2 pcie slots, too. no sound. https://www.acmemicro.com/estore/merchant.ihtml?pid=7205&step=4 (i don't know a think about this website. it was the first place i found the motherboard.) - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <4401c5351e5286ef4c4a69713d87c0ca@quintile.net> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:41:15 +0000 To: 9fans@9fans.net In-Reply-To: <4279ac024d1b9c64e89aa64cd24d4b80@ladd.quanstro.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Broken Hardware List Topicbox-Message-UUID: b4e7c4d4-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 I can vouch for the Supermicro X7SLA-H card, with erik's help it is working absolutely solidly, its my main server and this email comes from said machine. hugo% uptime hugo up 52 days, 19:54:04 Not up to Andrey's numbers but I didn't buy it that long ago. -Steve From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3f6628a8753ea3a926637280b7ff0e83@yyc.orthanc.ca> References: <3f6628a8753ea3a926637280b7ff0e83@yyc.orthanc.ca> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:30:14 -0800 Message-ID: <13426df10912310930xee3eb6cj31261c2322160963@mail.gmail.com> From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] Broken Hardware List Topicbox-Message-UUID: b4ece8a6-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) wrote: > What's not working is the ACPI component of the BIOS. =A0The P9 boot > fails very early on (right after E820 I think). =A0FreeBSD runs, but > something in the ACPI code wakes up every couple of seconds and leaps > into the ACPI BIOS code. =A0While it's in there it locks out all > hardware interrupts for 2-5 seconds, which makes the box pretty much > unusable for anything close to interactive work. This is many times code doing a bug fix for hardware. It is most likely in the System Management Mode (SMM) code, not in the ACPI BIOS per se. Intel has told me they count on magic happening in ACPI/SMM to fix up hardware bugs (for which they frequently refuse to release any documentation so the OS can do the workaround instead). But 2-5 seconds? WOW. That's gotta be a record. What could it be doing for that long? I wonder if you have a first example of the oft-rumored ACPI virus :-) > > As to workarounds, I worked around to the computer store and bought a > non-Intel motherboard that actually implements Intel's ACPI spec > somewhat correctly. =A0I'm not going to spend time I could be billing > out to try to fix a completely braindead motherboard that I can > replace for what I earn in an hour or two. =A0Shitty hardware like this > deserves to die, not get fixed. I assume we can count on getting a video of whatever you do to it? ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:34:56 -0500 To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <638684dd470c6177db4487834ec31d86@brasstown.quanstro.net> In-Reply-To: <<13426df10912310930xee3eb6cj31261c2322160963@mail.gmail.com>> References: <<13426df10912310930xee3eb6cj31261c2322160963@mail.gmail.com>> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Broken Hardware List Topicbox-Message-UUID: b4f19b9e-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > What could it be doing for that long? I wonder if you have a first > example of the oft-rumored ACPI virus :-) we've seen hangups of 1s for usb emulation. - erik