From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <43187797.2050009@anvil.com> Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:02:31 +0100 From: Dave Lukes User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (X11/20040626) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] ndis-ulator for plan 9 References: <6a65a8b751540b784b8cbff84466ad36@hera.eonet.ne.jp> <8ea6a210ff3a1dccd1ba45e51fe924f2@coraid.com> <599f06db05083108017cf89465@mail.gmail.com> <451cb301050831101956b059f1@mail.gmail.com> <43167CA9.2060404@lanl.gov> <5ce012f1330725e4159e27801cf82103@anvil.com> <43171854.1040806@lanl.gov> <451cb30105090108342797fb9b@mail.gmail.com> <431720D9.3030802@lanl.gov> In-Reply-To: <431720D9.3030802@lanl.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 8309f5f4-ead0-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > david lukes, it's starting already. The Allies have declared War on the Axis of Pragmatism! The Openhardwareistas are rallying their allies!! Hark! I hear the massed mumblings of angry hordes of Jeepeyells! Head for the hills before they lobotomise us for booting a tainted OS!!! > open specs are fine. ... for people who like writing drivers (like I did 20 years ago). My faint memories of driver hacking suggest that specs, open or otherwise, were seldom as problematical as the hardware. Basically you treat the manual as a kind of fuzzy photo: it tells you what's where and vaguely what it looks like. You then fumble around blindly until it actually works well enough for your purposes and move on. What you really need is the dude(s) who carved the ASIC sitting next to you. > people are not dropping out of the sky with plan 9 drivers in their hands, even for hardware we have specs for. Yuk. What a gruesome thought. And even if they did, we'd have to clean the bits of splattered corpse off before we could use them. :-), Dave.