* [9fans] Fuse bashing (lines of code)
@ 2006-01-24 20:19 Brantley Coile
2006-01-24 20:30 ` Jack Johnson
2006-01-24 20:44 ` Taj Khattra
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From: Brantley Coile @ 2006-01-24 20:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
Wirth, Niklaus, ``A Plea for Lean Software'', Computer, February 1995, pp 64-68.
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* Re: [9fans] Fuse bashing (lines of code)
2006-01-24 20:19 [9fans] Fuse bashing (lines of code) Brantley Coile
@ 2006-01-24 20:30 ` Jack Johnson
2006-01-24 20:40 ` Bruce Ellis
2006-01-24 20:58 ` Jason Gurtz
2006-01-24 20:44 ` Taj Khattra
1 sibling, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Jack Johnson @ 2006-01-24 20:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On 1/24/06, Brantley Coile <brantley@coraid.com> wrote:
> Wirth, Niklaus, ``A Plea for Lean Software'', Computer, February 1995, pp 64-68.
A scan is available at http://d.linux-bg.org/download/docs/wirth.pdf
(though I'm at work and didn't test it with page.
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* Re: [9fans] Fuse bashing (lines of code)
2006-01-24 20:30 ` Jack Johnson
@ 2006-01-24 20:40 ` Bruce Ellis
2006-01-24 20:42 ` Brantley Coile
2006-01-24 20:47 ` [9fans] Fuse bashing (lines of code) Charles Forsyth
2006-01-24 20:58 ` Jason Gurtz
1 sibling, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Bruce Ellis @ 2006-01-24 20:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
Well, Dr Wirth, Pascal was so lean that *everyone* added extensions
(incompatible of course) as fast as they could type, to fatten up
(add missing functionality) to the poor thing.
brucee
On 1/25/06, Jack Johnson <knapjack@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/24/06, Brantley Coile <brantley@coraid.com> wrote:
> > Wirth, Niklaus, ``A Plea for Lean Software'', Computer, February 1995, pp 64-68.
>
> A scan is available at http://d.linux-bg.org/download/docs/wirth.pdf
> (though I'm at work and didn't test it with page.
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* Re: [9fans] Fuse bashing (lines of code)
2006-01-24 20:40 ` Bruce Ellis
@ 2006-01-24 20:42 ` Brantley Coile
2006-01-24 21:00 ` Bruce Ellis
2006-01-24 20:47 ` [9fans] Fuse bashing (lines of code) Charles Forsyth
1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Brantley Coile @ 2006-01-24 20:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
Including Dr. Wirth. Pascall was followed by Modula-2 then Oberon.
>From the quality of the result it seems that it works better to think
before typing. :)
> Well, Dr Wirth, Pascal was so lean that *everyone* added extensions
> (incompatible of course) as fast as they could type, to fatten up
> (add missing functionality) to the poor thing.
>
> brucee
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* Re: [9fans] Fuse bashing (lines of code)
2006-01-24 20:19 [9fans] Fuse bashing (lines of code) Brantley Coile
2006-01-24 20:30 ` Jack Johnson
@ 2006-01-24 20:44 ` Taj Khattra
1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Taj Khattra @ 2006-01-24 20:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
> Wirth, Niklaus, ``A Plea for Lean Software'', Computer, February 1995, pp 64-68.
check this response out too:
Parnas, David Lorge, "Why Software Jewels Are Rare", Computer,
February 1996 pp 57-60.
http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~maratb/readings/parnas-jewels.pdf
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* Re: [9fans] Fuse bashing (lines of code)
2006-01-24 20:40 ` Bruce Ellis
2006-01-24 20:42 ` Brantley Coile
@ 2006-01-24 20:47 ` Charles Forsyth
1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Charles Forsyth @ 2006-01-24 20:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> Well, Dr Wirth, Pascal was so lean that *everyone* added extensions
> (incompatible of course) as fast as they could type, to fatten up
> (add missing functionality) to the poor thing.
to be fair, and i write as someone that found Pascal frustrating enough
not to use it much (although i implemented it, obviously yielding to
a sadistic tendency to earn money), that happens to most software.
many extensions were trying to free it from its batch environment;
some of the additions were attempts to carry the old ways into new things.
wirth himself did a respectable job i think with the Oberon environment,
which was quite usable, and discarded more from Modula and Pascal than it added.
the `lean' paper post-dated that experience, so one could say he did practise what
he was preaching.
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* Re: [9fans] Fuse bashing (lines of code)
2006-01-24 20:30 ` Jack Johnson
2006-01-24 20:40 ` Bruce Ellis
@ 2006-01-24 20:58 ` Jason Gurtz
1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Jason Gurtz @ 2006-01-24 20:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On 1/24/2006 15:30, Jack Johnson wrote:
> A scan is available at http://d.linux-bg.org/download/docs/wirth.pdf
A hardcopy will be hanging on the bulletin board in each lab at school
tonight--blissfully ignored, no doubt!--whilst we students hunch over our
java code.
The final teaching of assembler started one year ago today. C++, C#,
Java, and VB remain. Oh well...
~Jason
--
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* Re: [9fans] Fuse bashing (lines of code)
2006-01-24 20:42 ` Brantley Coile
@ 2006-01-24 21:00 ` Bruce Ellis
2006-01-24 23:45 ` [9fans] wirth Charles Forsyth
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Bruce Ellis @ 2006-01-24 21:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
yes - i've used both - but after >10 years of watching the pascal fights.
limbo is indeed lean and mean and my labguage of choice.
brucee
On 1/25/06, Brantley Coile <brantley@coraid.com> wrote:
> Including Dr. Wirth. Pascall was followed by Modula-2 then Oberon.
> >From the quality of the result it seems that it works better to think
> before typing. :)
>
>
> > Well, Dr Wirth, Pascal was so lean that *everyone* added extensions
> > (incompatible of course) as fast as they could type, to fatten up
> > (add missing functionality) to the poor thing.
> >
> > brucee
>
>
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* Re: [9fans] wirth
2006-01-24 21:00 ` Bruce Ellis
@ 2006-01-24 23:45 ` Charles Forsyth
2006-01-25 7:06 ` Bruce Ellis
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Charles Forsyth @ 2006-01-24 23:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> >From the quality of the result it seems that it works better to think
> before typing. :)
he can still type (or scan, or both): http://www.oberon.ethz.ch/books.html
has pdf files for various books now out-of-print
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* Re: [9fans] wirth
2006-01-24 23:45 ` [9fans] wirth Charles Forsyth
@ 2006-01-25 7:06 ` Bruce Ellis
2006-01-25 7:16 ` Rob Pike
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Bruce Ellis @ 2006-01-25 7:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
My recollection is that Modular-2 was done my Luca and Butler at
at DecPerl. I can find what I believe is an original manual if I have to.
I was there shorthly after it was being embraced. It is a good language.
brucee
On 1/25/06, Charles Forsyth <forsyth@terzarima.net> wrote:
> > >From the quality of the result it seems that it works better to think
> > before typing. :)
>
> he can still type (or scan, or both): http://www.oberon.ethz.ch/books.html
> has pdf files for various books now out-of-print
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* Re: [9fans] wirth
2006-01-25 7:06 ` Bruce Ellis
@ 2006-01-25 7:16 ` Rob Pike
2006-01-25 7:26 ` Bruce Ellis
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Rob Pike @ 2006-01-25 7:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
modula-2 was wirth and modula-3 was the SRC crowd.
-rob
On 1/24/06, Bruce Ellis <bruce.ellis@gmail.com> wrote:
> My recollection is that Modular-2 was done my Luca and Butler at
> at DecPerl. I can find what I believe is an original manual if I have to.
> I was there shorthly after it was being embraced. It is a good language.
>
> brucee
>
> On 1/25/06, Charles Forsyth <forsyth@terzarima.net> wrote:
> > > >From the quality of the result it seems that it works better to think
> > > before typing. :)
> >
> > he can still type (or scan, or both): http://www.oberon.ethz.ch/books.html
> > has pdf files for various books now out-of-print
>
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* Re: [9fans] wirth
2006-01-25 7:16 ` Rob Pike
@ 2006-01-25 7:26 ` Bruce Ellis
0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Bruce Ellis @ 2006-01-25 7:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
i stand corrected.
On 1/25/06, Rob Pike <robpike@gmail.com> wrote:
> modula-2 was wirth and modula-3 was the SRC crowd.
>
> -rob
>
> On 1/24/06, Bruce Ellis <bruce.ellis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > My recollection is that Modular-2 was done my Luca and Butler at
> > at DecPerl. I can find what I believe is an original manual if I have to.
> > I was there shorthly after it was being embraced. It is a good language.
> >
> > brucee
> >
> > On 1/25/06, Charles Forsyth <forsyth@terzarima.net> wrote:
> > > > >From the quality of the result it seems that it works better to think
> > > > before typing. :)
> > >
> > > he can still type (or scan, or both): http://www.oberon.ethz.ch/books.html
> > > has pdf files for various books now out-of-print
> >
>
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