* Re: [9fans] Mt. Xinu
@ 2006-02-15 2:00 dmr
2006-02-15 3:55 ` Jim McKie
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From: dmr @ 2006-02-15 2:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
Incidentally, speaking of Mt. Xinu, anyone have any of their
calendars? I have the 1989 on my wall here, another at my office.
I've looked them up occasionally on Ebay without success.
Dennis
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* Re: [9fans] Mt. Xinu
2006-02-15 2:00 [9fans] Mt. Xinu dmr
@ 2006-02-15 3:55 ` Jim McKie
2006-02-15 13:50 ` Marina Brown
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From: Jim McKie @ 2006-02-15 3:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
I have a couple somewhere, I'll look them out
when I get back from my trip and we can compare.
I also have a Mt Xinu t-shirt.
--jim
----- Original Message -----
From: <dmr@plan9.bell-labs.com>
To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [9fans] Mt. Xinu
> Incidentally, speaking of Mt. Xinu, anyone have any of their
> calendars? I have the 1989 on my wall here, another at my office.
> I've looked them up occasionally on Ebay without success.
>
> Dennis
>
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* Re: [9fans] Mt. Xinu
2006-02-15 3:55 ` Jim McKie
@ 2006-02-15 13:50 ` Marina Brown
2006-02-15 17:30 ` Bruce Ellis
2006-02-20 23:24 ` jmk
0 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Marina Brown @ 2006-02-15 13:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
Jim McKie wrote:
>I have a couple somewhere, I'll look them out
>when I get back from my trip and we can compare.
>I also have a Mt Xinu t-shirt.
>
>--jim
>
>
>
It would be appreciated if it were possible for anyone to scan
and share the graphics - if that is legally possible.
Since this is a rather unusual crowd - does anyone have the
BSD X-wing Breaking away from the Death Star posters ?
--- Marina Brown
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* Re: [9fans] Mt. Xinu
2006-02-15 13:50 ` Marina Brown
@ 2006-02-15 17:30 ` Bruce Ellis
2006-02-20 23:24 ` jmk
1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Bruce Ellis @ 2006-02-15 17:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
anyone have any spare tk50s?
brucee
On 2/16/06, Marina Brown <marina@surferz.net> wrote:
> Jim McKie wrote:
>
> >I have a couple somewhere, I'll look them out
> >when I get back from my trip and we can compare.
> >I also have a Mt Xinu t-shirt.
> >
> >--jim
> >
> >
> >
> It would be appreciated if it were possible for anyone to scan
> and share the graphics - if that is legally possible.
>
> Since this is a rather unusual crowd - does anyone have the
> BSD X-wing Breaking away from the Death Star posters ?
>
> --- Marina Brown
>
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* Re: [9fans] Mt. Xinu
2006-02-15 13:50 ` Marina Brown
2006-02-15 17:30 ` Bruce Ellis
@ 2006-02-20 23:24 ` jmk
1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: jmk @ 2006-02-20 23:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
Jim McKie wrote:
>I have a couple somewhere, I'll look them out
>when I get back from my trip and we can compare.
>I also have a Mt Xinu t-shirt.
>
>--jim
I have
1997-1988 command of the month
1989 lessons in art
1990 platform of the year
Were there any others?
--jim
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* Re: [9fans] Mt. Xinu
@ 2006-02-15 1:57 dmr
0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: dmr @ 2006-02-15 1:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> Actually, the loon in both cases [dual 780, LOX + charcoal]
> is George H. Goble, who still works here
> at Purdue. He used to have a web page that documented both endeavors, but
> the powers-that-be made him remove it, probably for liability reasons.
> (Too many people were being crushed trying to jimmy their 780s together.)
> Ah, the Wayback Machine has it:
> http://web.archive.org/web/20010702140624/ghg.ecn.purdue.edu/~ghg/
>Click on "CLICK HERE" at the bottom for the page on the dual 11/780.
Yes. I would guess or suspect that the suppression (if not from
mere boredom by Goble) had more to do with the charcoal spectacular
than from toppling dual 780s.
Incidentally, I think the first multiprocessor Unix was
done at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey for an MS
project; this was a PDP-11.
Dennis
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* Re: [9fans] Mt. Xinu
@ 2006-02-11 4:47 quanstro
2006-02-11 4:54 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
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From: quanstro @ 2006-02-11 4:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Fri Feb 10 22:35:50 CST 2006, lyndon@orthanc.ca wrote:
> 1) You had 1.5GB and you *needed* quotas?
total. for a system with ~2500 users.
about 120 users were typically logged on.
> Nah, we dumped the big disk farm (three canaries and an eagle) onto
> QIC 120 MB carts. On accounta that farm was hanging off the Sun
> 3/160. The 785 with the SI only spoke to lowly RA81s. A lot of
> them, mind you.
we just had stacks and stacks of ra disks. after a power outage i bet
the inside of a jet engine would have been quieter.
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* Re: [9fans] Mt. Xinu
2006-02-11 4:47 quanstro
@ 2006-02-11 4:54 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
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From: Lyndon Nerenberg @ 2006-02-11 4:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Feb 10, 2006, at 8:47 PM, quanstro@quanstro.net wrote:
> we just had stacks and stacks of ra disks. after a power outage i bet
> the inside of a jet engine would have been quieter.
A stalled jet. We never took down the power grid after a restart,
but came close a couple of times. (We didn't have staged spin-up for
the drives ...)
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* Re: [9fans] Mt. Xinu
@ 2006-02-11 4:25 quanstro
2006-02-11 4:34 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
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From: quanstro @ 2006-02-11 4:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Fri Feb 10 22:14:18 CST 2006, lyndon@orthanc.ca wrote:
>
> > they supported a special connection between two vaxen
> > which would let them share dec raXX 80mb disks under
> > special circumstances. i think we were able to share the
> > mag tape, too.
>
> Was this related to the first 2-way 78x that (I think) was built at
> Goergia Tech? (It's been a long time since I read the paper about
> this.) (I'm thinking about the same loons who start their BBQ with
> liquid oxygen. Both projects have entertainment value.)
no. they were independent 780s, except for the goofy-net between
them.
> We had to halt the microcode floppy IPL to poke a register on the TU
> (?)x controller to put our (not DEC approved or supported) SI9000 tri-
> density tape drive into the correct density in order to read the
> install/upgrade tapes ;-)
>
> God I miss real hardware!
i don't miss the stuff at all. quotacheck took 2 hours on a grand total
of 1.5 G of disk. (assuming you didn't need to plug a terminal into the
back of one of them and sacrifice a few cats to the compter gods.)
oh, and i just remembered. the weekly backup took about 8 hrs for 1.5G
onto 9 track. we did have a VHS-tape based backup that was never completely
trusted.
- erik
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* Re: [9fans] Mt. Xinu
2006-02-11 4:25 quanstro
@ 2006-02-11 4:34 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-02-11 16:26 ` Jack Johnson
0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Lyndon Nerenberg @ 2006-02-11 4:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
>> God I miss real hardware!
>
> i don't miss the stuff at all. quotacheck took 2 hours on a grand
> total
> of 1.5 G of disk. (assuming you didn't need to plug a terminal into
> the
> back of one of them and sacrifice a few cats to the compter gods.)
1) You had 1.5GB and you *needed* quotas?
2) You got the sign wrong; you sacrifice the gods to the cats.
> oh, and i just remembered. the weekly backup took about 8 hrs for 1.5G
> onto 9 track. we did have a VHS-tape based backup that was never
> completely
> trusted.
Nah, we dumped the big disk farm (three canaries and an eagle) onto
QIC 120 MB carts. On accounta that farm was hanging off the Sun
3/160. The 785 with the SI only spoke to lowly RA81s. A lot of
them, mind you.
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* Re: [9fans] Mt. Xinu
@ 2006-02-11 3:53 quanstro
2006-02-11 4:09 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-02-11 10:25 ` Richard Miller
0 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: quanstro @ 2006-02-11 3:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
they supported a special connection between two vaxen
which would let them share dec raXX 80mb disks under
special circumstances. i think we were able to share the
mag tape, too.
those suckers had paper consoles, 4 and 8mb of memory
and the largest ethernet card i've ver seen -- whole 9 yards.
the kernel had to be rebuilt to change boot devices!
- erik
On Fri Feb 10 21:47:27 CST 2006, lyndon@orthanc.ca wrote:
>
> On Feb 10, 2006, at 7:40 PM, quanstro@quanstro.net wrote:
>
> > mt xinu 4.3bvd (sic).
>
> Whatever was the magic of the Mt. Xinu releases? I've worked on
> generic 4.2 as well as Ultrix 1.*, but nobody was ever able to
> explain the difference ...
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* Re: [9fans] Mt. Xinu
2006-02-11 3:53 quanstro
@ 2006-02-11 4:09 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-02-14 21:43 ` plan9
2006-02-11 10:25 ` Richard Miller
1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Lyndon Nerenberg @ 2006-02-11 4:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
> they supported a special connection between two vaxen
> which would let them share dec raXX 80mb disks under
> special circumstances. i think we were able to share the
> mag tape, too.
Was this related to the first 2-way 78x that (I think) was built at
Goergia Tech? (It's been a long time since I read the paper about
this.) (I'm thinking about the same loons who start their BBQ with
liquid oxygen. Both projects have entertainment value.)
> those suckers had paper consoles, 4 and 8mb of memory
> and the largest ethernet card i've ver seen -- whole 9 yards.
Oh yah? My 785 had a paper console (LA34), 24 MB of memory(!), and
also took up close to 27 feet of floor space :-) (We had Ethernet,
too, but I never measured the size of the card.)
> the kernel had to be rebuilt to change boot devices!
We had to halt the microcode floppy IPL to poke a register on the TU
(?)x controller to put our (not DEC approved or supported) SI9000 tri-
density tape drive into the correct density in order to read the
install/upgrade tapes ;-)
God I miss real hardware!
--lyndon
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* Re: [9fans] Mt. Xinu
2006-02-11 4:09 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
@ 2006-02-14 21:43 ` plan9
0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: plan9 @ 2006-02-14 21:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 08:09:30PM -0800, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
>
> Was this related to the first 2-way 78x that (I think) was built at
> Goergia Tech? (It's been a long time since I read the paper about
> this.) (I'm thinking about the same loons who start their BBQ with
> liquid oxygen. Both projects have entertainment value.)
Actually, the loon in both cases is George H. Goble, who still works here
at Purdue. He used to have a web page that documented both endeavors, but
the powers-that-be made him remove it, probably for liability reasons.
(Too many people were being crushed trying to jimmy their 780s together.)
Ah, the Wayback Machine has it:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010702140624/ghg.ecn.purdue.edu/~ghg/
Click on "CLICK HERE" at the bottom for the page on the dual 11/780.
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* Re: [9fans] Mt. Xinu
2006-02-11 3:53 quanstro
2006-02-11 4:09 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
@ 2006-02-11 10:25 ` Richard Miller
1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Richard Miller @ 2006-02-11 10:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> the kernel had to be rebuilt to change boot devices!
Much easier just to use the debugger to patch the device number
in the kernel image.
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* Re: [9fans] More 'Sam I am'
@ 2006-02-11 3:40 quanstro
2006-02-11 3:46 ` [9fans] Mt. Xinu Lyndon Nerenberg
0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: quanstro @ 2006-02-11 3:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
i don't miss the vaxen i used to work on with h29 2400 baud "stonet"
terminals and often a 1+ minute login time. 2400 baud is slow enough
that i used to use ^s/^q as a pager
mt xinu 4.3bvd (sic).
- erik
On Fri Feb 10 21:03:01 CST 2006, jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote:
> Many years ago now, a good friend of mine remarked that
> if we actually made all those whining about the state of things
> now compared to the "good old days" go back to using v7 Unix,
> they would quickly realise that times had actually moved
> forward and there were things they were used to that it didn't
> have and that they really needed. I used v[567] and I've
> ported v7, and I wouldn't go back. From what I understand,
> Plan 9 was an attempt to build on that by saying "this got
> us so far, but times are changing and it won't cut it with
> networks, bitmapped displays, SMP etc, we need a better base".
> That was a long time ago and no one has, to my limited
> non- computer science knowledge, attempted anything similar,
> they're all still working on copying 30 year old technology.
>
> I don't have an iPod, my mobile phone is 5 years old and I
> turn it on about 4 hours a week and there are many things
> about the 21st century that make me grumpy. But you can't go
> back. You should, however, be careful about how how you
> go forward.
>
> --jim
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* [9fans] Mt. Xinu
2006-02-11 3:40 [9fans] More 'Sam I am' quanstro
@ 2006-02-11 3:46 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-02-14 21:42 ` plan9
0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Lyndon Nerenberg @ 2006-02-11 3:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Feb 10, 2006, at 7:40 PM, quanstro@quanstro.net wrote:
> mt xinu 4.3bvd (sic).
Whatever was the magic of the Mt. Xinu releases? I've worked on
generic 4.2 as well as Ultrix 1.*, but nobody was ever able to
explain the difference ...
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* Re: [9fans] Mt. Xinu
2006-02-11 3:46 ` [9fans] Mt. Xinu Lyndon Nerenberg
@ 2006-02-14 21:42 ` plan9
2006-02-14 22:03 ` Brantley Coile
2006-02-15 4:39 ` Jim McKie
0 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: plan9 @ 2006-02-14 21:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 07:46:19PM -0800, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
>
> On Feb 10, 2006, at 7:40 PM, quanstro@quanstro.net wrote:
>
> >mt xinu 4.3bvd (sic).
>
> Whatever was the magic of the Mt. Xinu releases? I've worked on
> generic 4.2 as well as Ultrix 1.*, but nobody was ever able to
> explain the difference ...
AFAICT, it's just BSD with NFS bolted on. We're still running it on a
MicroVAX, though we're now down to only one working Eagle:
Feb 14 13:05:33 merlin vmunix: 4.3 BSD + NFS UNIX #19: Thu Oct 6 14:48:43 EST
+2005
Feb 14 13:05:33 merlin vmunix: real mem = 8355840
Feb 14 13:05:33 merlin vmunix: avail mem = 7001088
Feb 14 13:05:33 merlin vmunix: using 255 buffers containing 522240 bytes of
+memory
Feb 14 13:05:33 merlin vmunix: uba0 at tr0
Feb 14 13:05:33 merlin vmunix: uda0 at uba0 csr 172150 vec 774, ipl 17
Feb 14 13:05:33 merlin vmunix: ra0 at uda0 slave 0
Feb 14 13:05:33 merlin vmunix: ra0: raeagle
Feb 14 13:05:33 merlin vmunix: dhu0 at uba0 csr 160020 vec 300, ipl 17
Feb 14 13:05:33 merlin vmunix: dhu1 at uba0 csr 160040 vec 310, ipl 17
Feb 14 13:05:33 merlin vmunix: qe0 at uba0 csr 174440 vec 770, ipl 17
Feb 14 13:05:33 merlin vmunix: qe0: hardware address 08:00:2b:0d:44:a7
Feb 14 13:05:33 merlin vmunix: root fstype ufs
Feb 14 13:05:37 merlin savecore: reboot after panic: Segmentation fault
Old CS profs. never die-- they just make you maintain their old stuff
forever. :)
ObPlan9: someone should port Plan 9 to the MicroVAX!
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* Re: [9fans] Mt. Xinu
2006-02-14 21:42 ` plan9
@ 2006-02-14 22:03 ` Brantley Coile
2006-02-14 22:48 ` Bruce Ellis
2006-02-15 4:39 ` Jim McKie
1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Brantley Coile @ 2006-02-14 22:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> ObPlan9: someone should port Plan 9 to the MicroVAX!
Ask Norman. He still runs MicroVAXen with Research Unix on them.
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* Re: [9fans] Mt. Xinu
2006-02-14 22:03 ` Brantley Coile
@ 2006-02-14 22:48 ` Bruce Ellis
0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Bruce Ellis @ 2006-02-14 22:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
probably not enough memory for a workable plan9.
my MicroVAX is fully stocked (i think) - a full 9 MB
of memory. this is fine for Research Unix (V10) but
a cheap PC is better for plan9.
brucee
On 2/15/06, Brantley Coile <brantley@coraid.com> wrote:
> > ObPlan9: someone should port Plan 9 to the MicroVAX!
>
> Ask Norman. He still runs MicroVAXen with Research Unix on them.
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* Re: [9fans] Mt. Xinu
2006-02-14 21:42 ` plan9
2006-02-14 22:03 ` Brantley Coile
@ 2006-02-15 4:39 ` Jim McKie
2006-02-15 6:29 ` Bruce Ellis
1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Jim McKie @ 2006-02-15 4:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 07:46:19PM -0800, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
> ...
> ObPlan9: someone should port Plan 9 to the MicroVAX!
> ...
a few months ago i found a binary of the plan9 vax compiler when
looking for something in the dump, but no source. there was one because
the original fileserver was a vax750 with a worm drive and connections
to gnots (terminals) were serial. there's a microvax in the storage cage
still.
--jim
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* Re: [9fans] Mt. Xinu
2006-02-15 4:39 ` Jim McKie
@ 2006-02-15 6:29 ` Bruce Ellis
0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Bruce Ellis @ 2006-02-15 6:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
maybe a good console server - it as a bucket of serial ports.
brucee
On 2/15/06, Jim McKie <jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 07:46:19PM -0800, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
> > ...
> > ObPlan9: someone should port Plan 9 to the MicroVAX!
> > ...
>
> a few months ago i found a binary of the plan9 vax compiler when
> looking for something in the dump, but no source. there was one because
> the original fileserver was a vax750 with a worm drive and connections
> to gnots (terminals) were serial. there's a microvax in the storage cage
> still.
>
> --jim
>
>
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