From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <446E46D8.70007@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 00:29:44 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?TGx1w61zIEJhdGxsZSBpIFJvc3NlbGw=?= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20060314) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] combining characters References: <6e35c0620605191403w1ac5f133gd0ad22607a787a29@mail.gmail.com> <0860540aa8ac13f1427f0392e6f7573d@plan9.bell-labs.com> <8ccc8ba40605191457o5aa92381l2a016f370ca65245@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8ccc8ba40605191457o5aa92381l2a016f370ca65245@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms070005000406020507070408" Topicbox-Message-UUID: 5253fd96-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms070005000406020507070408 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Francisco J Ballesteros wrote: > I think that =C3=A1 is just a single rune, not two different ones compo= sed. If > to type them, you have to type several keys, it=C2=B4s just a keyboard = issue, > isn=C2=B4t it? I don=C2=B4t understand why this could go to a upper lay= er. Is there > any other problem? (besides having to use utf8 for i/o, I mean). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combining_diacritical_mark Think about languages having many diacritical marks (Arabic, Annamese,=20 Kannada,...), not only about Spanish. Wouldn't you feel there is too=20 much 'duplicated' information in those glyphs of that small 16bit space? Even more... there's the problem about _linking_ characters according to=20 context, like in Arabic and at least some Indian languages. From Wikipedi= a: "The Arabic alphabet can be encoded using several character sets,=20 including ISO-8859-6 and Unicode, in the latter thanks to the "Arabic=20 segment", entries U+0600 to U+06FF. However, neither of these sets=20 indicate the form each character should take in context. It is left to=20 the rendering engine to select the proper glyph to display for each=20 character." And after solving the screen output of unicode for diacritical marks and=20 linking, maybe there'll be work to be done for the input. --------------ms070005000406020507070408 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIJTTCC AwEwggJqoAMCAQICEC7GHhAgrXIK4gbYgnLRBvIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQAwYjELMAkGA1UE BhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMT I1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA2MDMxMzIyNTMwMVoX DTA3MDMxMzIyNTMwMVowRDEfMB0GA1UEAxMWVGhhd3RlIEZyZWVtYWlsIE1lbWJlcjEhMB8G CSqGSIb3DQEJARYSdmlyaWtldG9AZ21haWwuY29tMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8A MIIBCgKCAQEAvULiATyjPs5ZNXAo1qG4p3B136VTuzi82L14U0YTuyUO1lrJNJypHfM1+5d5 0vYJKzzSt/sCLD76X3vO3DxC5cqC2nrchEN+GCKndpE2PM7Sp9eWrHs9IVWCfYxP5M3kLoeb 5XXeRCciHCeYJ7+6SLrftWxU2qKVtAAQMGnLghUuwMck0sWXiywDhQ3MVIPbdOEu+VGKRMRM Ncq4bFRvqNRpNfG5A+WOtsuqxTpJtdLcP0fKTIKK3N7r7k4IMYEHLTPl9iH5Ve0OPgeTekyH ADZnIjE7zweBDBH0Qh8DDTaMx5XszHAMwsChHxBmCcAjncdPnqxdShbOPshtBiPxHwIDAQAB o1IwUDAOBgNVHQ8BAf8EBAMCA/gwEQYJYIZIAYb4QgEBBAQDAgUgMB0GA1UdEQQWMBSBEnZp cmlrZXRvQGdtYWlsLmNvbTAMBgNVHRMBAf8EAjAAMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBAUAA4GBAFRbmD1g BXH11x+sumaBS5h4A4ejYdmB1b5u2jBhkZnfvO92RD23dnS8PKk4MdGxGQUzawyGK8JSAUJg eERQ1Xoxa/xRgTGDphoZLLBdFkkvqjrqz2h2hiXkZHGyE3yFst9UVrXDHZKOyCR9c3LaXPQp Iz2lJiADJ2BtByn43FtHMIIDATCCAmqgAwIBAgIQLsYeECCtcgriBtiCctEG8jANBgkqhkiG 9w0BAQQFADBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0 eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0Ew HhcNMDYwMzEzMjI1MzAxWhcNMDcwMzEzMjI1MzAxWjBEMR8wHQYDVQQDExZUaGF3dGUgRnJl ZW1haWwgTWVtYmVyMSEwHwYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhJ2aXJpa2V0b0BnbWFpbC5jb20wggEiMA0G CSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQC9QuIBPKM+zlk1cCjWobincHXfpVO7OLzYvXhT RhO7JQ7WWsk0nKkd8zX7l3nS9gkrPNK3+wIsPvpfe87cPELlyoLaetyEQ34YIqd2kTY8ztKn 15asez0hVYJ9jE/kzeQuh5vldd5EJyIcJ5gnv7pIut+1bFTaopW0ABAwacuCFS7AxyTSxZeL LAOFDcxUg9t04S75UYpExEw1yrhsVG+o1Gk18bkD5Y62y6rFOkm10tw/R8pMgorc3uvuTggx gQctM+X2IflV7Q4+B5N6TIcANmciMTvPB4EMEfRCHwMNNozHlezMcAzCwKEfEGYJwCOdx0+e rF1KFs4+yG0GI/EfAgMBAAGjUjBQMA4GA1UdDwEB/wQEAwID+DARBglghkgBhvhCAQEEBAMC BSAwHQYDVR0RBBYwFIESdmlyaWtldG9AZ21haWwuY29tMAwGA1UdEwEB/wQCMAAwDQYJKoZI hvcNAQEEBQADgYEAVFuYPWAFcfXXH6y6ZoFLmHgDh6Nh2YHVvm7aMGGRmd+873ZEPbd2dLw8 qTgx0bEZBTNrDIYrwlIBQmB4RFDVejFr/FGBMYOmGhkssF0WSS+qOurPaHaGJeRkcbITfIWy 31RWtcMdko7IJH1zctpc9CkjPaUmIAMnYG0HKfjcW0cwggM/MIICqKADAgECAgENMA0GCSqG SIb3DQEBBQUAMIHRMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYD VQQHEwlDYXBlIFRvd24xGjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nMSgwJgYDVQQLEx9D ZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9uIFNlcnZpY2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQwIgYDVQQDExtUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29u YWwgRnJlZW1haWwgQ0ExKzApBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNvbmFsLWZyZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0 ZS5jb20wHhcNMDMwNzE3MDAwMDAwWhcNMTMwNzE2MjM1OTU5WjBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEl MCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3Rl IFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0EwgZ8wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0AMIGJ AoGBAMSmPFVzVftOucqZWh5owHUEcJ3f6f+jHuy9zfVb8hp2vX8MOmHyv1HOAdTlUAow1wJj WiyJFXCO3cnwK4Vaqj9xVsuvPAsH5/EfkTYkKhPPK9Xzgnc9A74r/rsYPge/QIACZNenpruf ZdHFKlSFD0gEf6e20TxhBEAeZBlyYLf7AgMBAAGjgZQwgZEwEgYDVR0TAQH/BAgwBgEB/wIB ADBDBgNVHR8EPDA6MDigNqA0hjJodHRwOi8vY3JsLnRoYXd0ZS5jb20vVGhhd3RlUGVyc29u YWxGcmVlbWFpbENBLmNybDALBgNVHQ8EBAMCAQYwKQYDVR0RBCIwIKQeMBwxGjAYBgNVBAMT EVByaXZhdGVMYWJlbDItMTM4MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBAEiM0VCD6gsuzA2jZqxnD3+v rL7CF6FDlpSdf0whuPg2H6otnzYvwPQcUCCTcDz9reFhYsPZOhl+hLGZGwDFGguCdJ4lUJRi x9sncVcljd2pnDmOjCBPZV+V2vf3h9bGCE6u9uo05RAaWzVNd+NWIXiC3CEZNd4ksdMdRv9d X2VPMYIDZDCCA2ACAQEwdjBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1 bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElz c3VpbmcgQ0ECEC7GHhAgrXIK4gbYgnLRBvIwCQYFKw4DAhoFAKCCAcMwGAYJKoZIhvcNAQkD MQsGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAcBgkqhkiG9w0BCQUxDxcNMDYwNTE5MjIyOTQ0WjAjBgkqhkiG9w0B CQQxFgQUKGjJref8whT2XzUNaTdMl2be4jswUgYJKoZIhvcNAQkPMUUwQzAKBggqhkiG9w0D BzAOBggqhkiG9w0DAgICAIAwDQYIKoZIhvcNAwICAUAwBwYFKw4DAgcwDQYIKoZIhvcNAwIC ASgwgYUGCSsGAQQBgjcQBDF4MHYwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBD b25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFp bCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAhAuxh4QIK1yCuIG2IJy0QbyMIGHBgsqhkiG9w0BCRACCzF4oHYwYjEL MAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAq BgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAhAuxh4QIK1yCuIG 2IJy0QbyMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUABIIBAB6BVznuKEXr09xQVhgYUzrAQMdl2ThgdM1CByu9 ZMG/EDFgCU4VahHTgAyr87DPHcaA5oYgKnvWyYULPIIAWGHioU9o0hW5MtwtyOt3mlKyYUL2 4K/+V1+lqtBY7o845k8leppsPW3mPX2nJgUD6POPoO160Pct9IORGnXx26oMi7DYMmbSbGBo 2gSL6M+hMtMCUwNT7ozhjrtJgAUj8qZA/bU17owraVju1pHVfVdV5Zrdp4Pzpj95Zf85NM61 mA+yGyOjGUMkQ2irdYrUA4lGOKbvdXsiwZL4H2CQl40gE8aVg+5JrB5LIs5NEMRfaMLpU2O8 pez0BUU9q2h02R4AAAAAAAA= --------------ms070005000406020507070408--