9fans - fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Dave Lukes <davel@anvil.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Diskless cpu servers
Date: Fri,  9 Jun 2006 17:54:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4489A7AB.9060509@anvil.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <81da0437d508c70bf6d787541b5f3f02@plan9.bell-labs.com>

jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote:
>  Is there a security/crypto expert out there who knows if there's a
>  way for a server to hand out a chunk of executable code then, when
>  the code runs and calls back, it can verify the code is running
>  unchanged (i.e. no local storage on the client system at all)? I'm
>  very naïve about security and my gut tells me no.

In general, no.

If you have specific constraints, you may be able to,
but in the general case, your problem is the converse of another problem
I've just been looking at:
can you do serious crypto on a machine without _some_ form of permanent 
storage?
Ferguson and Schneier's "Practical Cryptography" says "no",
with reasoning, and I tend to believe them.

D.




  reply	other threads:[~2006-06-09 16:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-09 14:30 jmk
2006-06-09 16:54 ` Dave Lukes [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-06-09  0:31 Adriano Verardo
2006-06-09  0:35 ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-06-09 14:41   ` Adriano Verardo
2006-06-09  4:13 ` Ronald G Minnich
     [not found] ` <000b01c68b7b$503cadb0$14aaa8c0@utelsystems.local>
2006-06-09  7:58   ` "Nils O. Selåsdal"
2006-06-09 13:02     ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-09 13:09       ` Charles Forsyth
2006-06-09 13:23         ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-09 13:27           ` Charles Forsyth
2006-06-09 14:43             ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-09 13:42     ` Adriano Verardo
2006-06-09 13:53       ` Federico G. Benavento
2006-06-09  9:22 ` Steve Simon
2006-06-09 10:53   ` Charles Forsyth
2006-06-09 13:28     ` Adriano Verardo
2006-06-09 13:03   ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-10 18:32 ` Adriano Verardo

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=4489A7AB.9060509@anvil.com \
    --to=davel@anvil.com \
    --cc=9fans@cse.psu.edu \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).