From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <464C3DC2.9080906@conducive.org> Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 19:34:26 +0800 From: W B Hacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070221 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: Warning: Rant. Please disregard. [Was: Re: [9fans] Is IBM References: <2b8e695a785420f753d5214cb614da15@proxima.alt.za> In-Reply-To: <2b8e695a785420f753d5214cb614da15@proxima.alt.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 6a08c2a4-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote: >> Think PDA, phone handset, 'thin client' (terminal) and the heavy-hitters for >> storage and computation located somewhere else on the network. > > I do, but what induces the IT manager in a 200+ organisation to think > Plan 9? And why would I want her to? > > ++L > > I'd class that as a de-facto impossibility. WTH - we couldn't get OS/2 'sold' in an organization ten times that size and more. Even though it was largely IBM mainframe dominated, and whose senior management *liked* IBM .... and against, of all things, Win 3.X - despite a more robust and then still fully compatible Win-OS2 being built in to OS/2. (Win-95 was still years away at the time). I don't see Plan9 ever even starting down the 'populist' road in that manner. But the choice of embedded and 'appliance' OS'en is not made the same way, and the 'Windows' cachet as not as hard to compete with. Virus host in my cellphone? No thanks! But cellphones, to name just one - can easily sell half-a-million 'seats' in two years or fewer - and to folks who could give a Massachusetts as to what brand is on the underlying OS software. Those who have WinCE on their 'devices' know it. Those who have 'ABM' often *don't* know - or care - what they are using. So long as it JFW. To the extent Plan9 can support a 'bespoke' UI and show life-cycle cost and performance advantages, STB, hand-held, and other 'appliance' makers can adopt it without it being directly 'in the face' of the end user. And by 'bespoke UI' I don't mean folks here porting X-Windows, re-inventing drawterm or anything of the sort. Rather, the device-maker's own team putting up something customized - more like GEM or the iPOD interface - even QNX' 'Photon' approach. Something that 'JFDI' whatever the device is expected to do. Not having a heavy and entrenched GUI already in place to 'fight with' is actually an advantage for Plan9 on that score. Just do a file-count and 'du' before and after an install of Xorg+wm+desktop+tools of-choice on any *n*x. Then weep over the waste of it all. And prepare for version Hell on upgrades. There has to be a better way. Bill