From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <3e1162e60707091517w2724c3e3h8fc42fb1eeb495cd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:17:35 -0700 From: "David Leimbach" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_88130_5675615.1184019455030" Subject: [9fans] The Misused Mouse Topicbox-Message-UUID: 93e0dda0-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_88130_5675615.1184019455030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline http://hci-matters.com/blog/?p=8 Just keep in mind, there's one right way to do everything. (sigh) ------=_Part_88130_5675615.1184019455030 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline http://hci-matters.com/blog/?p=8

Just keep in mind, there's one right way to do everything.  (sigh)
------=_Part_88130_5675615.1184019455030-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <23f6632199b307d972186454dc562d68@9netics.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] The Misused Mouse Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:33:25 -0700 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: <3e1162e60707091517w2724c3e3h8fc42fb1eeb495cd@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 93e8f5f8-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > http://hci-matters.com/blog/?p=8 the mouse may be retired for the finger if done the iphone way (maybe). iphone is a cool gadget. i like the way magnification is controlled with two fingure motion. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <23f6632199b307d972186454dc562d68@9netics.com> References: <23f6632199b307d972186454dc562d68@9netics.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <15D96033-0977-4C28-81A6-D85D22F85B6A@telus.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Lalonde Subject: Re: [9fans] The Misused Mouse Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:43:42 -0700 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 93edfbc0-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm just annoyed at the repeated fallacy that a pointing tablet & stylus is better than the mouse. That's only true if the display is the tablet - absolute position interfaces are very awkward to navigate with when you're not looking at them. Paul On Jul 9, 2007, at 3:33 PM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: >> http://hci-matters.com/blog/?p=8 > > the mouse may be retired for the finger if done the iphone way > (maybe). iphone is a cool gadget. i like the way magnification is > controlled with two fingure motion. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQFGkroepJeHo/Fbu1wRAkM3AJ4nraJoQpABzGGMqPnuBnXEMHzp8wCbBYH4 AsZGQYDViZCEALk4ILB4UZk= =9Jvq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <164443fb91281ed3622f69f476fb434e@csplan9.rit.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] The Misused Mouse Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:45:36 -1000 From: john@csplan9.rit.edu In-Reply-To: <3e1162e60707091517w2724c3e3h8fc42fb1eeb495cd@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 93f55bc2-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > http://hci-matters.com/blog/?p=8 > Just keep in mind, there's one right way to do everything. (sigh) Yes, look at the poor proletariot, pretending that ctrl-s is faster than grabbing the mouse and mid-clicking on "Put"! Fallacy. If anybody needs me, I'll be burning my keyboard at the Altar of The Mouse. John From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <164443fb91281ed3622f69f476fb434e@csplan9.rit.edu> References: <164443fb91281ed3622f69f476fb434e@csplan9.rit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <834F4A12-EA1C-4232-910E-00B5AD48CC58@telus.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Lalonde Subject: Re: [9fans] The Misused Mouse Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:50:36 -0700 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 93fc7628-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 That depends on if I already had the mouse in my hand. And which window has focus. And if the command had a parameter. Remember: line editing forces higher concentration on the task at hand. Paul On Jul 9, 2007, at 3:45 PM, john@csplan9.rit.edu wrote: >> http://hci-matters.com/blog/?p=8 >> Just keep in mind, there's one right way to do everything. (sigh) > > Yes, look at the poor proletariot, pretending that ctrl-s is faster > than > grabbing the mouse and mid-clicking on "Put"! Fallacy. > > If anybody needs me, I'll be burning my keyboard at the Altar of > The Mouse. > > > John > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQFGkru8pJeHo/Fbu1wRAmrNAKCmXsldGfxfFFtOrtIe5xELX1NqzwCfS44V 6o+xO1sPcKewaNTxUpQVEvs= =FKJ8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:52:10 +0000 From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <46938DAE.F81195F9@null.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <23f6632199b307d972186454dc562d68@9netics.com>, <15D96033-0977-4C28-81A6-D85D22F85B6A@telus.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] The Misused Mouse Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9416cdca-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Paul Lalonde wrote: > I'm just annoyed at the repeated fallacy that a pointing tablet & > stylus is better than the mouse. That's only true if the display is > the tablet - absolute position interfaces are very awkward to > navigate with when you're not looking at them. You can say exactly the same thing about the mouse! The obvious solution is to drive a cursor. In the PEAC product (calligraphic vector display and tablet) we used full-screen crosshairs (low intensity) and it worked great. If you have ever tried to draw with a mouse and with a tablet, assuming good software, you'll have found that the tablet is better for fine detail.