[9fans] site is down?

[9fans] site is down?

[Demis Rosseti]

Hi! Happy new year for all!
plan9.bell-labs.com is down?

-- 
Demis Rosseti

Re: [9fans] site is down?

[Pietro Gagliardi]

It goes down, and then it goes back up again. It's regular but  
inconsistent. You'll have to learn to deal with it! :-)

Happy New Year!

On Jan 1, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Demis Rosseti wrote:

> Hi! Happy new year for all!
> plan9.bell-labs.com is down?
>
> -- 
> Demis Rosseti

Re: [9fans] site is down?

[Pietro Gagliardi]

PS - It's back up now

On Jan 1, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Demis Rosseti wrote:

> Hi! Happy new year for all!
> plan9.bell-labs.com is down?
>
> -- 
> Demis Rosseti

Re: [9fans] site is down?

[Iruata Souza]

down here, since yesterday



-- 
iru

Re: [9fans] site is down?

[Iruata Souza]

I don't know why people cant come here complain about this, but the
site is down *again*.
It has been very unstable for some days now.

{plan9,cm}.bell-labs.com returns Object not Found.

thanks for the attention,
iru

Re: [9fans] site is down?

[Pietro Gagliardi]

Another thing is, where is http://cm.bell-labs.com/? I can't access  
any page on that (/who/bwk has Brian Kernighan's page, which has  
links to the source code he made with company, /cs, which gives you  
access to the CSTR website, which includes old papers; /cm/cs/^(upe  
awkbook cbook tpop), some books (the awkbook one is one I'd like to  
find errata for).

On Jan 12, 2008, at 8:45 AM, Iruata Souza wrote:

> I don't know why people cant come here complain about this, but the
> site is down *again*.
> It has been very unstable for some days now.
>
> {plan9,cm}.bell-labs.com returns Object not Found.
>
> thanks for the attention,
> iru

Re: [9fans] site is down?

[ron minnich]

On Jan 12, 2008 5:45 AM, Iruata Souza <iru.muzgo@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know why people cant come here complain about this, but the
> site is down *again*.

it's simple. Do you help support it? Do you contribute money to keep
it going? Do you send them hardware to help them in some way?

People have every right to complain when they pay for something and
don't get it.

They have no right to complain when something which is free is not
there when they want it.

It's a lot of work to maintain the site, the networks, and the
machines that go with it. No one is paid to do it -- it is done as a
service to us. Rather than complain when it is not there, we should
thank those who make it work when it is there.

So, yes, you might politely *ask* why the site is down, or if anyone
has any information. But to *complain* about it is to step over the
line.

thanks

ron

Re: [9fans] site is down?

[Iruata Souza]

On 1/12/08, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 12, 2008 5:45 AM, Iruata Souza <iru.muzgo@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I don't know why people cant come here complain about this, but the
> > site is down *again*.
>
> it's simple. Do you help support it? Do you contribute money to keep
> it going? Do you send them hardware to help them in some way?
>
> People have every right to complain when they pay for something and
> don't get it.
>
> They have no right to complain when something which is free is not
> there when they want it.
>
> It's a lot of work to maintain the site, the networks, and the
> machines that go with it. No one is paid to do it -- it is done as a
> service to us. Rather than complain when it is not there, we should
> thank those who make it work when it is there.
>

If they paid me, I could help. And I thank who maintains it.

> So, yes, you might politely *ask* why the site is down, or if anyone
> has any information. But to *complain* about it is to step over the
> line.
>
I just would like people to say if the site is down for them or not.
Since if I'm one of the few noting that kind of stuff publicly, it
seems that it's down only for that few people.
I don't really see the point in that discussion, ron. It's just a
matter of statistics to me.
Sorry if I bother talking about the downtime and if I offended someone.

thanks,
iru

Re: [9fans] site is down?

[Pietro Gagliardi]

On Jan 12, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Iruata Souza wrote:
>
> If they paid me, I could help. And I thank who maintains it.
Who does so?

Re: [9fans] site is down?

[Gary Wright]

On Jan 12, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Iruata Souza wrote:
> Since if I'm one of the few noting that kind of stuff publicly, it
> seems that it's down only for that few people.

I see the site down frequently (once or twice a week maybe).

I'd consider a donation, but wasn't aware that was even a possibility.

I am curious though.  There is clearly a recurring problem.  Is it  
hardware, software, or undiagnosed?

Gary Wright

Re: [9fans] site is down?

[Russ Cox]

> I just would like people to say if the site is down for them or not.

If you can't connect to plan9.bell-labs.com but you
can connect to, say, sources.cs.bell-labs.com
or even plain old www.bell-labs.com, then it's
exceedingly unlikely that the problem is on your end.
If you were really worried about that possibility,
you could log into a machine somewhere else in
the world (the Japan Plan 9 machines, for example)
and try connecting  from there.

Whichever end has the connectivity problem, it doesn't
contribute anything to the quality of 9fans traffic
for a half dozen people to post "gee, it doesn't work
for me right now either".  If you want to bring the problem to
someone's attention, this is one of the few situations in
which it makes sense to mail 9trouble@plan9.bell-labs.com
instead of posting to 9fans.  (Even if the machine 
plan9.bell-labs.com is down, mail to 9trouble will still
arrive at Bell Labs via a different mail server.)

> I am curious though.  There is clearly a recurring problem.  Is it  
> hardware, software, or undiagnosed?

Most often it is simply unnoticed.  The machine that serves
as the plan9.bell-labs.com web server does little else these
days, so if (for whatever reason) it stops, it can take a while
before anyone at Bell Labs notices.  All the more reason
to send mail to 9trouble (and not 9fans).

Russ

Re: [9fans] site is down?

[Iruata Souza]

On 1/12/08, Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> wrote:
> > I am curious though.  There is clearly a recurring problem.  Is it
> > hardware, software, or undiagnosed?
>
> Most often it is simply unnoticed.  The machine that serves
> as the plan9.bell-labs.com web server does little else these
> days, so if (for whatever reason) it stops, it can take a while
> before anyone at Bell Labs notices.  All the more reason
> to send mail to 9trouble (and not 9fans).
>

so you confirm the reason why I sent these mails: it seems to be unnoticed.
now the problem resumes to where to send the notice; if 9trouble is a
better place, I'll mail there instead.

iru

Re: [9fans] site is down?

[Wes Kussmaul]

Gary Wright wrote:

> I'd consider a donation, but wasn't aware that was even a possibility.

Open source projects with budgetary issues often discover that asking for a donation, and making it convenient to do so, 
can change things quickly. If I saw a PayPal donation button on the site I'd click it.

-- 
Wes Kussmaul
CIO
The Village Group
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Waltham, MA 02451

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Re: [9fans] site is down?

[Iruata Souza]

On 1/12/08, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, yes, you might politely *ask* why the site is down, or if anyone
> has any information. But to *complain* about it is to step over the
> line.
>

People can complain about everything they want to
People are free to accept or not the complaining in the same manner
they are free to accept or not answering questions.

iru

Re: [9fans] site is down?

[geoff]

Murray Hill suffered a power oddity, I think a spike, on January 1st
that caused a several-hour-long outage and seems to have caused
miscellaneous other damage.  We've had strange network problems since.
Friday was the first day that things were more-or-less back to normal,
at least from an external perspective.

Much of the content of cm.bell-labs.com, notably /cm, is served to the
outside through a small set of machines, all of which have been
replaced in the last few days.  In particular, plan9.bell-labs.com now
has much more RAM, so we shouldn't need to restart the wiki as often.

We usually notice problems with the outside machines fairly soon (more
so on weekdays), though fixing them sometimes takes a while, depending
upon the problem.

Re: [9fans] site is down?

[Gabriel Diaz Lopez de la Llave]

hello

i set up a sources mirror on sirviente.9grid.es

% import tcp!sirviente.9grid.es!17666 / /n/essources

should give you a read-only copy of the local /dist/sources

The iso will be mirrored when available :).

http://sirviente.9grid.es/ for the http interface.

any comments about the setup welcome.

slds.

gabi


On Jan 12, 2008, at 10:19 PM, geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote:

> Murray Hill suffered a power oddity, I think a spike, on January 1st
> that caused a several-hour-long outage and seems to have caused
> miscellaneous other damage.  We've had strange network problems since.
> Friday was the first day that things were more-or-less back to normal,
> at least from an external perspective.
>
> Much of the content of cm.bell-labs.com, notably /cm, is served to the
> outside through a small set of machines, all of which have been
> replaced in the last few days.  In particular, plan9.bell-labs.com now
> has much more RAM, so we shouldn't need to restart the wiki as often.
>
> We usually notice problems with the outside machines fairly soon (more
> so on weekdays), though fixing them sometimes takes a while, depending
> upon the problem.
>