From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:44:29 +0100 Message-ID: <8ccc8ba41001080244t500c5603p4ce866db9ac9f1e7@mail.gmail.com> From: Francisco J Ballesteros To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: b89c09c8-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Anyone tried Plan 9 on Parallels 4? It seems it has full acpi support and I was thinking on using it for debugging, but I wouldn=C2=B4t like to buy it if Plan 9 does not work on it. thanks From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8ccc8ba41001080244t500c5603p4ce866db9ac9f1e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ccc8ba41001080244t500c5603p4ce866db9ac9f1e7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:48:48 +0100 Message-ID: <8ccc8ba41001080248g6d46b291r3742a6b8a0904ee1@mail.gmail.com> From: Francisco J Ballesteros To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: b8a29cde-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 sorry, I meant Parallels 5. On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros wr= ote: > Anyone tried Plan 9 on Parallels 4? > > It seems it has full acpi support and I was > thinking on using it for debugging, but I wouldn=C2=B4t > like to buy it if Plan 9 does not work on it. > > thanks > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-Id: <8B57ECCC-7BC8-46FA-A378-121F3627F181@gmail.com> From: Patrick Kelly To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: <3e1162e61001081100q356c0fbn31c779f60f8f53c0@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--953125564 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 7D11) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:49:58 -0500 References: <8ccc8ba41001080248g6d46b291r3742a6b8a0904ee1@mail.gmail.com> <4827a833118a99c807c1ff4eafeab696@plan9.bell-labs.com> <3e1162e61001081100q356c0fbn31c779f60f8f53c0@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: ba74e648-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --Apple-Mail-2--953125564 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 8, 2010, at 2:00 PM, David Leimbach wrote: > Do you think you'd recommend Parallels over VirtualBox? I've not > tried plan 9 on VirtualBox as I usually opt to run it on real > hardware where I can, and 9vx or drawterm to connect. It might just be me, but I cant get plan 9 to run well on VirtualBox. Id check into VirtualBox first though. > On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:58 AM, wrote: > Yes, Plan 9 runs on Parallels 4 and 5, with or without video. > > > --Apple-Mail-2--953125564 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


On Jan 8, 2010, at 2:00 PM, David Leimbach <leimy2k@gmail.com> wrote:

Do you think you'd recommend Parallels over VirtualBox?  I've not tried plan 9 on VirtualBox as I usually opt to run it on real hardware where I can, and 9vx or drawterm to connect.
It might just be me, but I cant get plan 9 to run well on VirtualBox. Id check into VirtualBox first though.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:58 AM, <geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com> wrote:
Yes, Plan 9 runs on Parallels 4 and 5, with or without video.



--Apple-Mail-2--953125564-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-Id: <7E1B29F8-4751-40A0-90F0-2CF3EB6E7889@gmail.com> From: Patrick Kelly To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: <8d4a75e55fc55419d48a3859337bc7da@plan9.bell-labs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 7D11) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:52:58 -0500 References: <8d4a75e55fc55419d48a3859337bc7da@plan9.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: ba7c8948-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 As far as I know you would need an emulator not a virtualizer. On Jan 8, 2010, at 2:12 PM, geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > I don't have enough experience with VirtualBox to make a sensible > comparison. > > The thing that none of the VM monitors seem to offer (though I'd love > to be proven wrong) is debugging tools for the guest operating > systems. This is odd, as it was one of the major uses of VM/370. So > if a guest kernel goes off into space, the VM monitor shuts down the > virtual machine or resets it, but provides no means to find out what > happened, though it's in a perfect position to easily do so. > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-Id: From: Patrick Kelly To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: <13426df11001081118h6fa92afds588de1756c91367b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 7D11) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:55:39 -0500 References: <3e1162e61001081100q356c0fbn31c779f60f8f53c0@mail.gmail.com> <8d4a75e55fc55419d48a3859337bc7da@plan9.bell-labs.com> <13426df11001081118h6fa92afds588de1756c91367b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: ba80fd16-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Jan 8, 2010, at 2:18 PM, ron minnich wrote: > On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:12 AM, wrote: >> I don't have enough experience with VirtualBox to make a sensible >> comparison. > > I had a horrible time with virtual box and Plan 9. > > Did not work at all well. I would avoid it. > >> >> The thing that none of the VM monitors seem to offer (though I'd love >> to be proven wrong) is debugging tools for the guest operating >> systems. > > Ah, but i wonder if the commercial guys have been "requested" by > microsoft not to make such debugging easy. Seems like it would be an > ideal way to learn things they don't want you to know... Visual studios debugger gives a decent amount of information, although its obfuscated... > ron > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-Id: <097ACA1E-2886-4986-9D65-7E1CEE524C3D@gmail.com> From: Patrick Kelly To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: <095c2705f87146bf66758e638489c094@coraid.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 7D11) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:02:56 -0500 References: <095c2705f87146bf66758e638489c094@coraid.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: baaa78c6-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Jan 8, 2010, at 2:46 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >>> it's unfortunate that computer history isn't a bigger >>> component of a computer science degree. >> >> History and Philosophy of Science was slow in becoming a legitimate >> academic pursuit of great practical value. It will probably not be >> quite as long before the analogous subject will materialise for >> electronic computing. It is an answered question how much influence >> financial interests will have on it. > > the history and philosophy of $subject would be a broader, and > less applicable topic than what i'm getting at. in dict(1), /history/ > 1.1 or 2 is what i'm talking about. > > no (serious) physicist since newton or since maxwell has ignored their > work. no mathematician since newton or hilbert has ignored their > work. computer science seems exceptional to me in this regard; > we have learned many things that don't work, but seldom seem to > recall the lessons learned. History should be a part of everything. Alas this isn't the case. I tend to read up on everything, past and present, before starting a project, people think it's stupid. I'm more successful, but it's still stupid... > > - erik > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <4827a833118a99c807c1ff4eafeab696@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 13:58:23 -0500 From: geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com In-Reply-To: <8ccc8ba41001080248g6d46b291r3742a6b8a0904ee1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: b95762c2-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Yes, Plan 9 runs on Parallels 4 and 5, with or without video. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4827a833118a99c807c1ff4eafeab696@plan9.bell-labs.com> References: <8ccc8ba41001080248g6d46b291r3742a6b8a0904ee1@mail.gmail.com> <4827a833118a99c807c1ff4eafeab696@plan9.bell-labs.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:00:54 -0800 Message-ID: <3e1162e61001081100q356c0fbn31c779f60f8f53c0@mail.gmail.com> From: David Leimbach To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd5f1409a751f047cabcef7 Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: b96421d8-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --000e0cd5f1409a751f047cabcef7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Do you think you'd recommend Parallels over VirtualBox? I've not tried plan 9 on VirtualBox as I usually opt to run it on real hardware where I can, and 9vx or drawterm to connect. On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:58 AM, wrote: > Yes, Plan 9 runs on Parallels 4 and 5, with or without video. > > > --000e0cd5f1409a751f047cabcef7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do you think you'd recommend Parallels over VirtualBox? =A0I've not= tried plan 9 on VirtualBox as I usually opt to run it on real hardware whe= re I can, and 9vx or drawterm to connect.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:58 AM, <geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com> wrote:
Yes, Plan 9 runs on Parallels 4 and 5, with or without video.



--000e0cd5f1409a751f047cabcef7-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <8d4a75e55fc55419d48a3859337bc7da@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:12:39 -0500 From: geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com In-Reply-To: <3e1162e61001081100q356c0fbn31c779f60f8f53c0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: ba120d48-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 I don't have enough experience with VirtualBox to make a sensible comparison. The thing that none of the VM monitors seem to offer (though I'd love to be proven wrong) is debugging tools for the guest operating systems. This is odd, as it was one of the major uses of VM/370. So if a guest kernel goes off into space, the VM monitor shuts down the virtual machine or resets it, but provides no means to find out what happened, though it's in a perfect position to easily do so. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8d4a75e55fc55419d48a3859337bc7da@plan9.bell-labs.com> References: <3e1162e61001081100q356c0fbn31c779f60f8f53c0@mail.gmail.com> <8d4a75e55fc55419d48a3859337bc7da@plan9.bell-labs.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:18:51 -0800 Message-ID: <13426df11001081118h6fa92afds588de1756c91367b@mail.gmail.com> From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: ba1a3fe0-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > I don't have enough experience with VirtualBox to make a sensible > comparison. I had a horrible time with virtual box and Plan 9. Did not work at all well. I would avoid it. > > The thing that none of the VM monitors seem to offer (though I'd love > to be proven wrong) is debugging tools for the guest operating > systems. Ah, but i wonder if the commercial guys have been "requested" by microsoft not to make such debugging easy. Seems like it would be an ideal way to learn things they don't want you to know... ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:23:04 -0500 To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <2c43c69be41aeb8e0365f250e71f53be@coraid.com> In-Reply-To: <8d4a75e55fc55419d48a3859337bc7da@plan9.bell-labs.com> References: <8d4a75e55fc55419d48a3859337bc7da@plan9.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: ba2166ee-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > The thing that none of the VM monitors seem to offer (though I'd love > to be proven wrong) is debugging tools for the guest operating > systems. This is odd, as it was one of the major uses of VM/370. So > if a guest kernel goes off into space, the VM monitor shuts down the > virtual machine or resets it, but provides no means to find out what > happened, though it's in a perfect position to easily do so. it's unfortunate that computer history isn't a bigger component of a computer science degree. in the case of vm, it's not even history; still alive and doing quite well as z/(vm|os) on slightly modified power arch hardware. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <4B4786CE.2020500@comfortstore.net> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:26:06 -0500 From: Corey Thomasson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> References: <8d4a75e55fc55419d48a3859337bc7da@plan9.bell-labs.com> <2c43c69be41aeb8e0365f250e71f53be@coraid.com> In-Reply-To: <2c43c69be41aeb8e0365f250e71f53be@coraid.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: ba26f6a4-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > it's unfortunate that computer history isn't a bigger > component of a computer science degree. in the > case of vm, it's not even history; still alive and doing > quite well as z/(vm|os) on slightly modified power arch > hardware. > > - erik > > In my first semester of CS my textbook had a chapter dedicated to computer history, as well as mentions in other places. We skipped it. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8d4a75e55fc55419d48a3859337bc7da@plan9.bell-labs.com> References: <3e1162e61001081100q356c0fbn31c779f60f8f53c0@mail.gmail.com> <8d4a75e55fc55419d48a3859337bc7da@plan9.bell-labs.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:26:50 -0200 Message-ID: From: Iruata Souza To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: ba2d5530-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:12 PM, wrote: > I don't have enough experience with VirtualBox to make a sensible > comparison. > > The thing that none of the VM monitors seem to offer (though I'd love > to be proven wrong) is debugging tools for the guest operating > systems. =C2=A0This is odd, as it was one of the major uses of VM/370. = =C2=A0So > if a guest kernel goes off into space, the VM monitor shuts down the > virtual machine or resets it, but provides no means to find out what > happened, though it's in a perfect position to easily do so. > > > bochs offers you that to some extent. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 21:28:54 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <2c43c69be41aeb8e0365f250e71f53be@coraid.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: ba3b0c70-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > it's unfortunate that computer history isn't a bigger > component of a computer science degree. History and Philosophy of Science was slow in becoming a legitimate academic pursuit of great practical value. It will probably not be quite as long before the analogous subject will materialise for electronic computing. It is an answered question how much influence financial interests will have on it. ++L From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 In-Reply-To: <13426df11001081118h6fa92afds588de1756c91367b@mail.gmail.com> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> From: "=?utf-8?q?Fran=C3=A7ois?= Revol" Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 20:40:30 +0100 Message-Id: <4405355086-BeMail@laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: ba42fd22-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > > The thing that none of the VM monitors seem to offer (though I'd > > love > > to be proven wrong) is debugging tools for the guest operating > > systems. > > Ah, but i wonder if the commercial guys have been "requested" by > microsoft not to make such debugging easy. Seems like it would be an > ideal way to learn things they don't want you to know... QEMU has an internal gdb stub... while gdb doesn't really handle multiple address space (and thus neither the guest processes), it could still be of some use. At least what I tried with the Haiku bootloader on qemu-system-arm wasn't too bad, including reading the elf file to get the symbols. http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-development/testing-the-ARM-port-was-Re-Haikucommits-r32408-haikutrunksrcsystembootplatformuboot Fran=C3=A7ois. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:12:39 EST." <8d4a75e55fc55419d48a3859337bc7da@plan9.bell-labs.com> References: <8d4a75e55fc55419d48a3859337bc7da@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: Bakul Shah Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:42:44 -0800 Message-Id: <20100108194244.9FD7A5B04@mail.bitblocks.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: ba472d34-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:12:39 EST geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > I don't have enough experience with VirtualBox to make a sensible > comparison. Plan9 on virtualBox is unusably slow. > The thing that none of the VM monitors seem to offer (though I'd love > to be proven wrong) is debugging tools for the guest operating > systems. This is odd, as it was one of the major uses of VM/370. So > if a guest kernel goes off into space, the VM monitor shuts down the > virtual machine or resets it, but provides no means to find out what > happened, though it's in a perfect position to easily do so. I have used qemu + host gdb to debug a guest FreeBSD kernel. FreeBSD does have remote gdb support. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:45:55 -1000 From: Tim Newsham To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: <8d4a75e55fc55419d48a3859337bc7da@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: References: <8d4a75e55fc55419d48a3859337bc7da@plan9.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: ba54fc02-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > The thing that none of the VM monitors seem to offer (though I'd love > to be proven wrong) is debugging tools for the guest operating > systems. This is odd, as it was one of the major uses of VM/370. So > if a guest kernel goes off into space, the VM monitor shuts down the > virtual machine or resets it, but provides no means to find out what > happened, though it's in a perfect position to easily do so. There's a debugger built into qemu. VMWare lets you attach to it using the gdb protocol to debug the system. Is this what you had in mind? Or something more integrated and possibly intrusive to the guest? Tim Newsham | www.thenewsh.com/~newsham | thenewsh.blogspot.com From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:46:03 -0500 To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <095c2705f87146bf66758e638489c094@coraid.com> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: ba5bf8b8-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > > it's unfortunate that computer history isn't a bigger > > component of a computer science degree. > > History and Philosophy of Science was slow in becoming a legitimate > academic pursuit of great practical value. It will probably not be > quite as long before the analogous subject will materialise for > electronic computing. It is an answered question how much influence > financial interests will have on it. the history and philosophy of $subject would be a broader, and less applicable topic than what i'm getting at. in dict(1), /history/ 1.1 or 2 is what i'm talking about. no (serious) physicist since newton or since maxwell has ignored their work. no mathematician since newton or hilbert has ignored their work. computer science seems exceptional to me in this regard; we have learned many things that don't work, but seldom seem to recall the lessons learned. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@9fans.net From: "Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)" Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:47:10 -0700 In-Reply-To: <3e1162e61001081100q356c0fbn31c779f60f8f53c0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: ba61b014-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Do you think you'd recommend Parallels over VirtualBox? I've not tried plan > 9 on VirtualBox as I usually opt to run it on real hardware where I can, and > 9vx or drawterm to connect. Forget about VirtualBox. It's nowhere near ready for prime time on MacOS or Solaris. The only thing I've ever succeeded in getting it to run is XP/SP2 (on either platform). (The same applies to xVM on Solaris.) --lyndon From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:48:34 -1000 From: Tim Newsham To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <3e1162e61001081100q356c0fbn31c779f60f8f53c0@mail.gmail.com> <8d4a75e55fc55419d48a3859337bc7da@plan9.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: ba65e0da-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > bochs offers you that to some extent. Bochs not only has a built in debugger, but it has a mechanism to define new CPU instrumentations (via bochs source code, recompile required) that you can enable and disable from the debugger. Very cool feature if you need to investigate some code or some performance issue. Hoewever bochs is quite slow and supports some old ia32 system. Tim Newsham | www.thenewsh.com/~newsham | thenewsh.blogspot.com From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 In-Reply-To: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> From: "=?utf-8?q?Fran=C3=A7ois?= Revol" Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 21:04:48 +0100 Message-Id: <5863186413-BeMail@laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: baafa09e-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > > Do you think you'd recommend Parallels over VirtualBox=3F I've not > > tried > > plan > > 9 on VirtualBox as I usually opt to run it on real hardware where I > > can, > > and > > 9vx or drawterm to connect. > > Forget about VirtualBox. It's nowhere near ready for prime time on > MacOS or Solaris. The only thing I've ever succeeded in getting it > to run is XP/SP2 (on either platform). (The same applies to xVM on > Solaris.) Actually ZETA and Haiku run pretty well on it (on OSX), I just had to downgrade the last version as it had some regressions on DHCP and mouse. I still use my ZETA install in VirtualBox to read my mail :p Fran=C3=A7ois. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <07c1877ce370435379a793d1e5926ed5@proxima.alt.za> To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, 9fans@9fans.net Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 22:30:41 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: bab64070-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > History and Philosophy of Science was slow in becoming a legitimate > academic pursuit of great practical value. It will probably not be > quite as long before the analogous subject will materialise for > electronic computing. It is an answered question how much influence > financial interests will have on it. > s/answered/unanswered/ It's late... ++L From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-Id: <215A862D-2BDB-4AAB-9CA6-26134822D227@9srv.net> From: Anthony Sorace To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: <4827a833118a99c807c1ff4eafeab696@plan9.bell-labs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 04:08:34 -0500 References: <4827a833118a99c807c1ff4eafeab696@plan9.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: bbec7392-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 It happens that I bought Parallels 5 two or three days ago. Upon upgrading my Plan 9 VM from Parallels 3 (skipped a version), it stopped working. I've not had time to dig in, nor to try a fresh install. The Plan 9 version on there had not been kept up to date, so Geoff's info is likely more reliable. This was on OS X with Parallels Desktop. I've heard nothing but bad things about VirtualBox. Mostly from Plan 9 people (where the results have been uniformly bad), but also from folks trying to use other OSes. It seems the worst of the breed across the board. Anthony From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:53:22 -0500 To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <623d06de1857264a5552b832f5157586@ladd.quanstro.net> In-Reply-To: <215A862D-2BDB-4AAB-9CA6-26134822D227@9srv.net> References: <4827a833118a99c807c1ff4eafeab696@plan9.bell-labs.com> <215A862D-2BDB-4AAB-9CA6-26134822D227@9srv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: bbfc4fc4-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > I've heard nothing but bad things about VirtualBox. Mostly from Plan 9 > people(where the results have been uniformly bad), but also from folks > trying to useother OSes. It seems the worst of the breed across the board. has anyone tried 9atom on virtualbox? i think there's a good chance virtualbox has some of the same issues i had with the ich7r. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <623d06de1857264a5552b832f5157586@ladd.quanstro.net> References: <4827a833118a99c807c1ff4eafeab696@plan9.bell-labs.com> <215A862D-2BDB-4AAB-9CA6-26134822D227@9srv.net> <623d06de1857264a5552b832f5157586@ladd.quanstro.net> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 17:10:10 +0100 Message-ID: <8ccc8ba41001090810vadfd8f5gb56be46a13cbab06@mail.gmail.com> From: Francisco J Ballesteros To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: bc07bf58-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Just to confirm what Geoff said. Parallels 5 works like a charm with Plan 9. Also, it seems to have full ACPI support, not that this is important for Plan 9 yet. Thanks On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 3:53 PM, erik quanstrom wrot= e: >> I've heard nothing but bad things about VirtualBox. Mostly from Plan 9 >> people(where the results have been uniformly bad), but also from folks >> trying to useother OSes. It seems the worst of the breed across the boar= d. > > has anyone tried 9atom on virtualbox? =C2=A0i think there's a good chance > virtualbox has some of the same issues i had with the ich7r. > > - erik > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:14:15 -0500 To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <2e0447223c1d2fcdfab2c18d58da47c1@ladd.quanstro.net> In-Reply-To: <8ccc8ba41001090810vadfd8f5gb56be46a13cbab06@mail.gmail.com> References: <4827a833118a99c807c1ff4eafeab696@plan9.bell-labs.com> <215A862D-2BDB-4AAB-9CA6-26134822D227@9srv.net> <623d06de1857264a5552b832f5157586@ladd.quanstro.net> <8ccc8ba41001090810vadfd8f5gb56be46a13cbab06@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: bc18fff2-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Just to confirm what Geoff said. > > Parallels 5 works like a charm with Plan 9. > Also, it seems to have full ACPI support, not that this is > important for Plan 9 yet. > > Thanks > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 3:53 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > >> I've heard nothing but bad things about VirtualBox. Mostly from Plan 9 > >> people(where the results have been uniformly bad), but also from folks > >> trying to useother OSes. It seems the worst of the breed across the board. > > > > has anyone tried 9atom on virtualbox?  i think there's a good chance > > virtualbox has some of the same issues i had with the ich7r. parallels requires a mac. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2e0447223c1d2fcdfab2c18d58da47c1@ladd.quanstro.net> References: <4827a833118a99c807c1ff4eafeab696@plan9.bell-labs.com> <215A862D-2BDB-4AAB-9CA6-26134822D227@9srv.net> <623d06de1857264a5552b832f5157586@ladd.quanstro.net> <8ccc8ba41001090810vadfd8f5gb56be46a13cbab06@mail.gmail.com> <2e0447223c1d2fcdfab2c18d58da47c1@ladd.quanstro.net> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:08:16 -0500 Message-ID: <2781f021001090908j51d0b2a4j61ef0036168ec550@mail.gmail.com> From: Joseph Stewart To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163630f68facde86047cbe5906 Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: bc1f3d54-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --00163630f68facde86047cbe5906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Just to clarify... Parallels 5 requires a Mac. There are howerver, older versions for M$ and Linux as well as their Server Virtualization products. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallels,_Inc. -joe On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 11:14 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > > Just to confirm what Geoff said. > > > > Parallels 5 works like a charm with Plan 9. > > Also, it seems to have full ACPI support, not that this is > > important for Plan 9 yet. > > > > Thanks > > > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 3:53 PM, erik quanstrom > wrote: > > >> I've heard nothing but bad things about VirtualBox. Mostly from Plan 9 > > >> people(where the results have been uniformly bad), but also from folks > > >> trying to useother OSes. It seems the worst of the breed across the > board. > > > > > > has anyone tried 9atom on virtualbox? i think there's a good chance > > > virtualbox has some of the same issues i had with the ich7r. > > parallels requires a mac. > > - erik > > --00163630f68facde86047cbe5906 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just to clarify... Parallels 5 requires a Mac. There are howerver, older ve= rsions for M$ and Linux as well as their Server Virtualization products.

-joe

On Sat, Jan 9, 2= 010 at 11:14 AM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
> Just to confirm what Geoff said.
>
> Parallels 5 works like a charm with Plan 9.
> Also, it seems to have full ACPI support, not that this is
> important for Plan 9 yet.
>
> Thanks
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 3:53 PM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
> >> I've heard nothing but bad things about VirtualBox. Mostl= y from Plan 9
> >> people(where the results have been uniformly bad), but also f= rom folks
> >> trying to useother OSes. It seems the worst of the breed acro= ss the board.
> >
> > has anyone tried 9atom on virtualbox? =A0i think there's a go= od chance
> > virtualbox has some of the same issues i had with the ich7r.

parallels requires a mac.

- erik


--00163630f68facde86047cbe5906-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2781f021001090908j51d0b2a4j61ef0036168ec550@mail.gmail.com> References: <4827a833118a99c807c1ff4eafeab696@plan9.bell-labs.com> <215A862D-2BDB-4AAB-9CA6-26134822D227@9srv.net> <623d06de1857264a5552b832f5157586@ladd.quanstro.net> <8ccc8ba41001090810vadfd8f5gb56be46a13cbab06@mail.gmail.com> <2e0447223c1d2fcdfab2c18d58da47c1@ladd.quanstro.net> <2781f021001090908j51d0b2a4j61ef0036168ec550@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 18:20:43 +0100 Message-ID: <8ccc8ba41001090920i6ef8d5cag95cf97b1ab2a4f7d@mail.gmail.com> From: Francisco J Ballesteros To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: bc2667aa-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Yep. I just wanted a version with full acpi support, and it seems that version 5 was what I wanted. that's handy to debug acpi code. but yes, it requires a mac. On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Joseph Stewart w= rote: > Just to clarify... Parallels 5 requires a Mac. There are howerver, older > versions for M$ and Linux as well as their Server Virtualization products= . > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallels,_Inc. > -joe > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 11:14 AM, erik quanstrom > wrote: >> >> > Just to confirm what Geoff said. >> > >> > Parallels 5 works like a charm with Plan 9. >> > Also, it seems to have full ACPI support, not that this is >> > important for Plan 9 yet. >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 3:53 PM, erik quanstrom >> > wrote: >> > >> I've heard nothing but bad things about VirtualBox. Mostly from Pla= n >> > >> 9 >> > >> people(where the results have been uniformly bad), but also from >> > >> folks >> > >> trying to useother OSes. It seems the worst of the breed across the >> > >> board. >> > > >> > > has anyone tried 9atom on virtualbox? =C2=A0i think there's a good c= hance >> > > virtualbox has some of the same issues i had with the ich7r. >> >> parallels requires a mac. >> >> - erik >> > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8ccc8ba41001090920i6ef8d5cag95cf97b1ab2a4f7d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4827a833118a99c807c1ff4eafeab696@plan9.bell-labs.com> <215A862D-2BDB-4AAB-9CA6-26134822D227@9srv.net> <623d06de1857264a5552b832f5157586@ladd.quanstro.net> <8ccc8ba41001090810vadfd8f5gb56be46a13cbab06@mail.gmail.com> <2e0447223c1d2fcdfab2c18d58da47c1@ladd.quanstro.net> <2781f021001090908j51d0b2a4j61ef0036168ec550@mail.gmail.com> <8ccc8ba41001090920i6ef8d5cag95cf97b1ab2a4f7d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 21:38:42 -0200 Message-ID: <32d987d51001091538n71c2a094u7d65777bb1a5ab7d@mail.gmail.com> From: "Federico G. Benavento" To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: bc2bd47e-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 no apple-pcs here, but vmware seems to be the faster On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Francisco J Ballesteros wro= te: > Yep. I just wanted a version with full acpi support, and it > seems that version 5 was what I wanted. > that's handy to debug acpi code. > > but yes, it requires a mac. > > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Joseph Stewart = wrote: >> Just to clarify... Parallels 5 requires a Mac. There are howerver, older >> versions for M$ and Linux as well as their Server Virtualization product= s. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallels,_Inc. >> -joe >> >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 11:14 AM, erik quanstrom >> wrote: >>> >>> > Just to confirm what Geoff said. >>> > >>> > Parallels 5 works like a charm with Plan 9. >>> > Also, it seems to have full ACPI support, not that this is >>> > important for Plan 9 yet. >>> > >>> > Thanks >>> > >>> > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 3:53 PM, erik quanstrom >>> > wrote: >>> > >> I've heard nothing but bad things about VirtualBox. Mostly from Pl= an >>> > >> 9 >>> > >> people(where the results have been uniformly bad), but also from >>> > >> folks >>> > >> trying to useother OSes. It seems the worst of the breed across th= e >>> > >> board. >>> > > >>> > > has anyone tried 9atom on virtualbox? =C2=A0i think there's a good = chance >>> > > virtualbox has some of the same issues i had with the ich7r. >>> >>> parallels requires a mac. >>> >>> - erik >>> >> >> > > --=20 Federico G. Benavento From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <095c2705f87146bf66758e638489c094@coraid.com> References: <095c2705f87146bf66758e638489c094@coraid.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:37:29 +0000 Message-ID: <6a3ae47e1001100637o27457b02gf62d90759d0598dd@mail.gmail.com> From: Robert Raschke To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151761ca583ef150047cd05c35 Cc: lucio@proxima.alt.za Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: bc493a64-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --00151761ca583ef150047cd05c35 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 7:46 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > no (serious) physicist since newton or since maxwell has ignored their > work. no mathematician since newton or hilbert has ignored their > work. computer science seems exceptional to me in this regard; > we have learned many things that don't work, but seldom seem to > recall the lessons learned. > > Hmm, not so sure about that. Especially in maths it took centuries for people to get to a notation that appears to have settled into something close to standard. But I also think that the "acceleration of the world" means that a week in the lab is now generally accepted to always be better that a day in the library. No thinking allowed, just get it done. Cynically yours, Robby --00151761ca583ef150047cd05c35 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 7:46 PM, erik quanstr= om <quanstro@co= raid.com> wrote:
no (serious) physicist since newton or since maxwell has ignored their
work. =C2=A0no mathematician since newton or hilbert has ignored their
work. =C2=A0computer science seems exceptional to me in this regard;
we have learned many things that don't work, but seldom seem to
recall the lessons learned.


Hmm, not so sure a= bout that. Especially in maths it took centuries for people to get to a not= ation that appears to have settled into something close to standard.

But I also think that the "acceleration of the world" means t= hat a week in the lab is now generally accepted to always be better that a = day in the library. No thinking allowed, just get it done.

Cynically= yours,
Robby

--00151761ca583ef150047cd05c35-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:51:15 +0000 From: William Cowan Message-ID: References: <8d4a75e55fc55419d48a3859337bc7da@plan9.bell-labs.com>, <2c43c69be41aeb8e0365f250e71f53be@coraid.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: bfb6f3bc-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 erik quanstrom wrote: > it's unfortunate that computer history isn't a bigger > component of a computer science degree. in the > case of vm, it's not even history; still alive and doing > quite well as z/(vm|os) on slightly modified power arch > hardware. > - erik Not very mysterious to me. There's not very much science in computer science. If we didn't forget it we wouldn't be able to re-invent it, and there would go most of the interesting work, not to mention a lot of high salary jobs. s From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:30:54 -0500 To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <9ad77f1d95fd038d5c002091aea243cb@brasstown.quanstro.net> In-Reply-To: References: <8d4a75e55fc55419d48a3859337bc7da@plan9.bell-labs.com> <2c43c69be41aeb8e0365f250e71f53be@coraid.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: bfbce1a0-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Not very mysterious to me. There's not very much science in computer > science. If we didn't forget it we wouldn't be able to re-invent it, and > there would go most of the interesting work, not to mention a lot of > high salary jobs. s/interesting // there, fixed that for ya. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-Id: From: Patrick Kelly To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 7D11) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:47:37 -0500 References: <8d4a75e55fc55419d48a3859337bc7da@plan9.bell-labs.com>, <2c43c69be41aeb8e0365f250e71f53be@coraid.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: c12e5c44-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:51 PM, William Cowan wrote: > erik quanstrom wrote: > >> it's unfortunate that computer history isn't a bigger >> component of a computer science degree. in the >> case of vm, it's not even history; still alive and doing >> quite well as z/(vm|os) on slightly modified power arch >> hardware. > >> - erik > > Not very mysterious to me. There's not very much science in computer > science. If we didn't forget it we wouldn't be able to re-invent it, > and > there would go most of the interesting work, not to mention a lot of > high salary jobs. But how much of this work is actually redundant? > > s > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:00:19 -0500 To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <5d15edfc123b9a6826acaca0b783e576@brasstown.quanstro.net> In-Reply-To: References: <8d4a75e55fc55419d48a3859337bc7da@plan9.bell-labs.com> <2c43c69be41aeb8e0365f250e71f53be@coraid.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: c133eaba-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > > Not very mysterious to me. There's not very much science in computer > > science. If we didn't forget it we wouldn't be able to re-invent it, > > and > > there would go most of the interesting work, not to mention a lot of > > high salary jobs. > But how much of this work is actually redundant? 80% is three-quarters redundant. aplogizes to yogi berra. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:51:50 +0000 From: akss Message-ID: <84bd9160-dfda-40d2-aa88-1c97b16b0163@k41g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <623d06de1857264a5552b832f5157586@ladd.quanstro.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] parallels Topicbox-Message-UUID: d249c00e-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Jan 9, 10:13 pm, n...@lsub.org (Francisco J Ballesteros) wrote: > Just to confirm what Geoff said. > > Parallels 5 works like a charm with Plan 9. > Also, it seems to have full ACPI support, not that this is > important for Plan 9 yet. Hi Francisco, You told that Plan9 works fine on Parallels. I couldn't install it due to crash during installation, though. Would you like to tell what configuration have you set up on Parallels? I read on Plan9 site that in order to have Plan9 installed on Parallels it needs to turn off VT-x. I hope it can help, but I haven't been able to find the option in Parallels. Did you disable the VT-x option? If you did how you turned it off? Thank you in advance, Anton