From: Brantley Coile <brantley@coraid.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] a question of file and the history of magic
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 17:59:21 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <48714039.7000704@coraid.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <893336fd0a9673f20c7468d7f6339554@quanstro.net>
I remember the day I first saw a file magic file. I welcomed it because
for the first time I didn't have access to the source code. Those were
the days when you had to have $45k to get the source. A hard thing to
ask for. Today a separate magic file is just a leftover vestige of the
past. There are a lot of things like that. Do we still need to
compress man pages on 1TB disk driver? :)
erik quanstrom wrote:
>>In a sense, the question is more about the historical change and/or
>>adoption of a new file command for Plan 9 that doesn't use a magic
>>file for references. Why opt out of a magic file other than the
>>obvious performance hit of scanning it each run? Is it worth
>>repeating the old forms that used magic, or has anyone in the Plan 9
>>community already improved upon the idea and introduced a new, more
>>adaptable tool?
>
>
> what is the upside to an external magic file? as you've shown, you
> can add a file type in 1 line of code. while the external magic file
> isn't c, i would argue that it's still code.
>
> the disadvantage is that you need to write a parser for yet another
> file format. it turns out that linux file's maintainers felt that a text file
> wasn't good enough so they implemented a magic compiler. i really
> don't understand the logic behind the compiler, since it would seem
> to trade reduced cpu cycles for increased i/o. that would seem to be
> a terrible trade off these days.
>
> ; wc magic magic.mgc
> 13469 69850 484372 magic
> 1301 17997 1062400 magic.mgc # compiled version
>
> the source is pretty big, too:
>
> ; wc -l ffile-4.20/src/*.[ch]|grep total
> 9273 total
>
> according to wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_(Unix)),
> system v introduced the external magic file. i don't think that system v
> was in anyway an ancestor of plan 9. but i don't know anything of
> the history of plan 9 file.
>
> - erik
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-07-06 21:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-07-06 21:20 erik quanstrom
2008-07-06 21:59 ` Brantley Coile [this message]
2008-07-09 0:30 ` [9fans] a question of file and the history of magic^H^H^H^H^HUNIX Lyndon Nerenberg
2008-07-06 22:31 ` [9fans] a question of file and the history of magic Bakul Shah
2008-07-06 22:44 ` Charles Forsyth
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-07-07 8:58 Harri Haataja
2008-07-11 16:21 ` Dan Cross
2008-07-06 23:45 geoff
2008-07-06 19:30 erik quanstrom
2008-07-06 21:00 ` Jeff Sickel
2008-07-06 18:16 Jeff Sickel
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