From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <4AB937E5.9090402@0x6a.com> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:47:33 -0500 From: Jack Norton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> References: <1253650446.7386@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1253650446.7386@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] linux stats in last year from linuxcon Topicbox-Message-UUID: 75a67b30-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Richard Uhtenwoldt wrote: > J.R. Mauro writes: > >> Another thing they won't consider is having separate versions for >> high-end servers and PCs. I don't understand why Torvalds thinks Linux >> has to be all things to all people. >> > > the Linux running on a high-end server is probably compiled from > the same (evolving over time) source tree as the Linux running on > a desktop. > > but cannot the same be said of Windows now that most desktops run > Windows XP or a later version of Windows? cannot the same be > said of OS X? > > Richard Uhtenwoldt > http://sonic.net/~sielskr > > The big topic for me is the realtime patch (the one mentioned at rt.wiki.kernel.org). I dabble in computer based audio, and this patch is mandatory for low latency audio. There is a big debate as to why this isn't pushed into the main kernel source and/or forked in the name of such things. All I will say is that on OSX I can use jack daemon and get low latency audio right out of the box and on windows I can use low latency drivers such as ASIO and the newer WaveRT. It's even more tragic as there are tons of great linux audio tools, but they are a hard sale because you need to apply the rt-patch (which for a musician is like performing open heart surgery). In the end I don't care what the linux devs do, but they need to come up with a game plan and either fork (server, desktop linux) or include it all and try and make everyone happy (the latter will end in chaos me thinks). What I just described is the number one topic that brings up the 'fork linux' debate (at least it's the one I always pay attention to). Speaking of realtime, I am trying my hardest to port some of our custom control applications that we use around my engineering lab to inferno (anyone doing something similar? inferno list is not exactly a popular place apparently). Right now I spit out a python script on the fly for everything (quick turnaround) and it's getting old (plus I want to be able to control anything in the lab from any machine in the lab -- i.e. a perfect place for some inferno installs) -jack