From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <4AE7590B.9070805@authentrus.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:33:15 -0400 From: Wes Kussmaul User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> References: <4AE70F74.7000505@authentrus.com> <4AE736CE.1020609@authentrus.com> <4AE750B0.4020609@authentrus.com> <784983fe8bc567adb9bc38032483ab0b@coraid.com> In-Reply-To: <784983fe8bc567adb9bc38032483ab0b@coraid.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] go to this site Topicbox-Message-UUID: 91ee4106-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 erik quanstrom wrote: >>>> There is a lot of residual "management doesn't understand networks and >>>> databases and operating systems so we will make decisions for them" >>>> attitude out there, even where the reality of management's background >>>> has changed. While it's true that "cloud computing" is a nonsense >>>> phrase, there are reasons why server outsourcing gains traction. >>> if management really does understand things as well as >>> the it guys, then the it guys were unnecessary to begin with. >> Let's parse that. > [...] >>> i would hope that anyone hiring someone in such a >>> position would be interested in their input! >> C'mon, that's a "when did you stop beating your wife" comment. Of course > > why doesn't your argument work if you switch from a > mangement to a technical perspective? i was just > turning your argument around. why would you not > want to listen to IT, unless they are getting in the way > and not doing their job? that's an argument > that runs both ways. > > my assumption is that if management is doing its job, then the > problem of IT guy making policy decisions, if it happens, will > be a resolvable problem. > > the argument i see you makeing is in essence that fixing management > is impracticable. i may be cynical, but i don't subscribe to that world view. Well, I don't think I even hinted at anything of the sort, but I'm happy to let others, who will be happy to see the thread die, judge. Wes