From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <7871fcf50801241050m39f821ddl4cedc2b90a58748e@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080123111516.GB12528@paju.oulu.fi> <8fbf4ceb-5334-4fa0-8b96-1c31cd6225f7@k2g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <7871fcf50801241050m39f821ddl4cedc2b90a58748e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4E18292A-9BED-4167-ABAE-53C71F6B4B13@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Pietro Gagliardi Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: Building GCC Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:04:58 -0500 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 37008184-ead3-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Autotools is an abomination. It solves one problem by introducing about 3,000. Read page 22 of Rob Pike's Good/Bad/Ugly presentation (at the bottom of Plan 9's Wikipedia page) and see why I like the system it describes better. But in my version of hoc, you'll see #ifdef PLAN9 USED(something-or-other-because-this-is-a-signal-handler-and-I-do- not-care-about-that-necessary-argument-as-this-handler-just-calls- exit-or-execerror); #endif and that program uses pcc. Is there a command line option to turn that off? I won't need it right now, since my hoc code is lost to that broken fossil, but that's not important now. Here's another programming language: Limbo. I'm starting to like it and get used to it's quirks (include "sys.m"; sys : Sys = load Sys Sys->PATH; # too much) and someone ported dis to native Plan 9 so we can go somewhere. If charon has a CSS module, wouldn't some other program have a PDF module? term% /n/sources/contrib/fgb/root/rc/bin/contrib/install fgb/contrib term% contrib/install steve/cfront I like fgb's contrib system. It's a heck of a lot cleaner than CVS or stuff like that. The only thing I don't like is proto files, but I got used to them. Now I don't know what I'm saying, I'm confused, and I'm going home. On Jan 24, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Joel C. Salomon wrote: > On Jan 24, 2008 6:19 AM, Paulo Pocinho wrote: >> And I can't stop wondering why DMR uses w*ndo*s. > > My guess: because he's using it, not programming it. Less painful > that way (well, until Vista). > > Plan 9 is the best programing environment I've used. Would I like the > option of some other programming languages? Well, luatex requires a > C++ library to handle PDF, so yes. I'd like Octave or something > similar too. But not enough to pollute the system with GNU Autofools. > > --Joel