From: ori@eigenstate.org
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: mmaping on plan9? (was Re: [9fans] venti /plan9port mmapped
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2026 16:40:43 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F1A7499CDBB9DDE5ECED4F6D1EE527E@eigenstate.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5E011A70-314B-47DB-A5FD-03D6E54F2EFE@iitbombay.org>
Quoth Bakul Shah via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>:
>
> You have a (control) connection with the mmap device to
> set up mmap so might as well use it to convey errors!
> This device would be strictly local to where a program
> runs.
I'm not sure how this is supposed to work; I assume
you'd need to fork a proc to handle errors, since
you would need to block the faulting process while
figuring out how to re-map the page so that the
memory access could be handled?
If the flush was done in the background due to cache
pressure, the code that had done the failing I/O
operation may have very well moved on, so you you'd
need a complciated mechanism to know how long ago
your writes had failed coded into your software.
Memory isn't a good abstraction for failable i/o.
It looks simple, but makes error handling impossibly
hard.
I think the only time it's acceptably behaved is when
it's read-only, you're willing to treat i/o errors as
irrecoverable, and you don't care about random pauses
in your program's perforamce profile. I don't think
that situation is all so common.
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Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-01-02 19:54 [9fans] venti /plan9port mmapped wb.kloke
2026-01-02 20:39 ` ori
2026-01-02 20:58 ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-01-06 22:59 ` Ron Minnich
2026-01-07 4:27 ` Noam Preil
2026-01-07 6:15 ` Shawn Rutledge
2026-01-07 15:46 ` Persistent memory (was Re: [9fans] venti /plan9port mmapped) arnold
2026-01-07 16:11 ` Noam Preil
2026-01-07 17:26 ` Wes Kussmaul
2026-01-07 8:52 ` [9fans] venti /plan9port mmapped wb.kloke
2026-01-07 16:30 ` mmaping on plan9? (was " Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-01-07 16:40 ` Noam Preil
2026-01-07 16:41 ` ori
2026-01-07 20:35 ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-01-07 21:31 ` ron minnich
2026-01-08 7:56 ` arnold
2026-01-08 10:31 ` wb.kloke
2026-01-09 0:02 ` ron minnich
2026-01-09 3:57 ` Paul Lalonde
2026-01-09 5:10 ` ron minnich
2026-01-09 5:18 ` arnold
2026-01-09 6:06 ` David Leimbach via 9fans
2026-01-09 17:13 ` ron minnich
2026-01-09 17:39 ` tlaronde
2026-01-09 19:48 ` David Leimbach via 9fans
2026-02-05 21:30 ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-08 14:18 ` Ethan Azariah
2026-02-08 15:10 ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-08 20:43 ` Ethan Azariah
2026-02-09 1:35 ` ron minnich
2026-02-09 15:23 ` ron minnich
2026-02-09 17:13 ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-02-09 21:38 ` ron minnich
2026-02-10 10:13 ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-11 1:43 ` Ron Minnich
2026-02-11 2:19 ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-02-11 3:21 ` Ori Bernstein
2026-02-11 10:01 ` hiro
2026-02-12 1:36 ` Dan Cross
2026-02-12 5:39 ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-12 9:08 ` hiro via 9fans
2026-02-12 13:34 ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-13 13:48 ` hiro
2026-02-13 17:21 ` ron minnich
2026-02-15 16:12 ` Danny Wilkins via 9fans
2026-02-17 3:13 ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-17 13:02 ` Dan Cross
2026-02-17 16:00 ` ron minnich
2026-02-17 16:39 ` hiro
2026-02-17 16:56 ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-02-16 2:24 ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-16 3:17 ` Ori Bernstein
2026-02-16 10:55 ` Frank D. Engel, Jr.
2026-02-16 13:49 ` Ori Bernstein
2026-02-16 19:40 ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-02-16 19:43 ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-02-16 9:50 ` tlaronde
2026-02-16 12:24 ` hiro via 9fans
2026-02-16 12:33 ` hiro via 9fans
2026-02-11 14:22 ` Dan Cross
2026-02-11 18:44 ` Ori Bernstein
2026-02-12 1:22 ` Dan Cross
2026-02-12 4:26 ` Ori Bernstein
2026-02-12 4:34 ` Dan Cross
2026-02-12 3:12 ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-12 4:52 ` Dan Cross
2026-02-12 8:37 ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-12 12:37 ` hiro via 9fans
2026-02-13 1:36 ` Dan Cross
2026-02-14 3:35 ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-14 14:26 ` Dan Cross
2026-02-15 4:34 ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-02-15 10:19 ` hiro
2026-02-10 16:49 ` wb.kloke
2026-02-08 14:08 ` Ethan Azariah
2026-01-07 21:40 ` ori [this message]
2026-01-07 16:52 ` ori
2026-01-07 17:37 ` wb.kloke
2026-01-07 17:46 ` Noam Preil
2026-01-07 17:56 ` wb.kloke
2026-01-07 18:07 ` Noam Preil
2026-01-07 18:58 ` wb.kloke
2026-01-07 14:57 ` Thaddeus Woskowiak
2026-01-07 16:07 ` Wes Kussmaul
2026-01-07 16:22 ` Noam Preil
2026-01-07 17:31 ` Wes Kussmaul
2026-01-07 16:13 ` Noam Preil
2026-01-02 21:01 ` ori
2026-01-08 15:59 ` wb.kloke
2026-02-11 23:19 ` red
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