* [9fans] octopus paper @ 2012-03-02 9:37 Francisco J Ballesteros 2012-03-02 10:24 ` Aram Hăvărneanu 2012-03-02 18:47 ` Jack Johnson 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Francisco J Ballesteros @ 2012-03-02 9:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Given the lag in publication, this system is no longer under development (though we are still using it), but here's a paper about the Octopus. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016412121200043X I post it here because it's related to Plan 9. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] octopus paper 2012-03-02 9:37 [9fans] octopus paper Francisco J Ballesteros @ 2012-03-02 10:24 ` Aram Hăvărneanu 2012-03-02 10:29 ` Francisco J Ballesteros 2012-03-02 18:47 ` Jack Johnson 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Aram Hăvărneanu @ 2012-03-02 10:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > Given the lag in publication, this system is no longer under development > (though we are still using it), but here's a paper about the Octopus. > http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016412121200043X It asks me for $31.50 to download the paper. -- Aram Hăvărneanu ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] octopus paper 2012-03-02 10:24 ` Aram Hăvărneanu @ 2012-03-02 10:29 ` Francisco J Ballesteros 2012-03-02 12:11 ` Charles Forsyth 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Francisco J Ballesteros @ 2012-03-02 10:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs WoW! I hate them. It seems my university is subscribed and I could browse it freely… I'll talk to you off list. On Mar 2, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Aram Hăvărneanu wrote: >> Given the lag in publication, this system is no longer under development >> (though we are still using it), but here's a paper about the Octopus. >> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016412121200043X > > It asks me for $31.50 to download the paper. > > -- > Aram Hăvărneanu ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] octopus paper 2012-03-02 10:29 ` Francisco J Ballesteros @ 2012-03-02 12:11 ` Charles Forsyth 2012-03-02 15:56 ` Jeff Sickel 2012-03-02 16:23 ` Nicolas Bercher 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Charles Forsyth @ 2012-03-02 12:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 253 bytes --] Welcome to the world of Elsevier, Springer and Wiley. On 2 March 2012 10:29, Francisco J Ballesteros <nemo@lsub.org> wrote: > WoW! I hate them. > It seems my university is subscribed and I could browse it freely… > I'll talk to you off list. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 475 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] octopus paper 2012-03-02 12:11 ` Charles Forsyth @ 2012-03-02 15:56 ` Jeff Sickel 2012-03-02 16:23 ` Nicolas Bercher 1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Jeff Sickel @ 2012-03-02 15:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs The next time I visit London will include a walking tour of the place that started all of this mess. Sadly, I think the price to join the information club has been increasing. On Mar 2, 2012, at 6:11 AM, Charles Forsyth wrote: > Welcome to the world of Elsevier, Springer and Wiley. > > On 2 March 2012 10:29, Francisco J Ballesteros <nemo@lsub.org> wrote: > >> WoW! I hate them. >> It seems my university is subscribed and I could browse it freely… >> I'll talk to you off list. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] octopus paper 2012-03-02 12:11 ` Charles Forsyth 2012-03-02 15:56 ` Jeff Sickel @ 2012-03-02 16:23 ` Nicolas Bercher 2012-03-02 16:27 ` John Floren 2012-03-02 17:54 ` tlaronde 1 sibling, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Nicolas Bercher @ 2012-03-02 16:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On 02/03/2012 13:11, Charles Forsyth wrote: > Welcome to the world of Elsevier, Springer and Wiley. > > On 2 March 2012 10:29, Francisco J Ballesteros<nemo@lsub.org> wrote: > >> WoW! I hate them. >> It seems my university is subscribed and I could browse it freely… >> I'll talk to you off list. > Here at CNRS, you are starting to struggle against this crazy system: 1) we pay to submit papers 2) we pay to read papers from others 3) we have to pay more if we want our papers to be freely accessible 4) we are not paid for peer review 4 times a shame, at least. Nicolas ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] octopus paper 2012-03-02 16:23 ` Nicolas Bercher @ 2012-03-02 16:27 ` John Floren 2012-03-02 16:32 ` Nemo 2012-03-02 16:41 ` Nicolas Bercher 2012-03-02 17:54 ` tlaronde 1 sibling, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: John Floren @ 2012-03-02 16:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Nicolas Bercher <nbercher@yahoo.fr> wrote: > On 02/03/2012 13:11, Charles Forsyth wrote: >> >> Welcome to the world of Elsevier, Springer and Wiley. >> >> On 2 March 2012 10:29, Francisco J Ballesteros<nemo@lsub.org> wrote: >> >>> WoW! I hate them. >>> It seems my university is subscribed and I could browse it freely… >>> I'll talk to you off list. >> >> > > Here at CNRS, you are starting to struggle against this crazy system: > > 1) we pay to submit papers > 2) we pay to read papers from others > 3) we have to pay more if we want our papers to be freely accessible > 4) we are not paid for peer review > > 4 times a shame, at least. > > Nicolas > Unless Elsevier is even more evil that I thought, Nemo should still be able to post a PDF on lsub.org. Now, if they're really evil, they got exclusive rights... John ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] octopus paper 2012-03-02 16:27 ` John Floren @ 2012-03-02 16:32 ` Nemo 2012-03-02 16:39 ` Jeff Sickel 2012-03-02 16:52 ` Nemo 2012-03-02 16:41 ` Nicolas Bercher 1 sibling, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Nemo @ 2012-03-02 16:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs I'm trying to clear that out, we'll see. On Mar 2, 2012, at 5:27 PM, John Floren wrote: > > Unless Elsevier is even more evil that I thought, Nemo should still be > able to post a PDF on lsub.org. Now, if they're really evil, they got > exclusive rights... > > John ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] octopus paper 2012-03-02 16:32 ` Nemo @ 2012-03-02 16:39 ` Jeff Sickel 2012-03-02 16:52 ` Nemo 1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Jeff Sickel @ 2012-03-02 16:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Tread carefully. A recent copyright case did not go well for the author of a paper. On Mar 2, 2012, at 10:32 AM, Nemo wrote: > I'm trying to clear that out, we'll see. > > On Mar 2, 2012, at 5:27 PM, John Floren wrote: >> >> Unless Elsevier is even more evil that I thought, Nemo should still be >> able to post a PDF on lsub.org. Now, if they're really evil, they got >> exclusive rights... >> >> John > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] octopus paper 2012-03-02 16:32 ` Nemo 2012-03-02 16:39 ` Jeff Sickel @ 2012-03-02 16:52 ` Nemo 1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Nemo @ 2012-03-02 16:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Ok. They said explicitly that I can post pre-prints of the paper at web sites. http://lsub.org/ls/export/ojss.ps On Mar 2, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Nemo wrote: > I'm trying to clear that out, we'll see. > > On Mar 2, 2012, at 5:27 PM, John Floren wrote: >> >> Unless Elsevier is even more evil that I thought, Nemo should still be >> able to post a PDF on lsub.org. Now, if they're really evil, they got >> exclusive rights... >> >> John > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] octopus paper 2012-03-02 16:27 ` John Floren 2012-03-02 16:32 ` Nemo @ 2012-03-02 16:41 ` Nicolas Bercher 1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Nicolas Bercher @ 2012-03-02 16:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On 02/03/2012 17:27, John Floren wrote: > On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Nicolas Bercher<nbercher@yahoo.fr> wrote: >> On 02/03/2012 13:11, Charles Forsyth wrote: >>> >>> Welcome to the world of Elsevier, Springer and Wiley. >>> >>> On 2 March 2012 10:29, Francisco J Ballesteros<nemo@lsub.org> wrote: >>> >>>> WoW! I hate them. >>>> It seems my university is subscribed and I could browse it freely… >>>> I'll talk to you off list. >>> >>> >> >> Here at CNRS, you are starting to struggle against this crazy system: >> >> 1) we pay to submit papers >> 2) we pay to read papers from others >> 3) we have to pay more if we want our papers to be freely accessible >> 4) we are not paid for peer review >> >> 4 times a shame, at least. >> >> Nicolas >> > > Unless Elsevier is even more evil that I thought, Nemo should still be > able to post a PDF on lsub.org. Now, if they're really evil, they got > exclusive rights... Yes, this is point 5) I forgot. Once your paper is submitted and if you want to publish it via any other fees-less channel, say, this list, I think you need to slightly modifidy your paper. Basically, you give your rights to the publishor/editor on the paper you submitted. We could state that they now own about ~95% of human knowledge, published in the form of specific papers. Somehow, this is scaring. Nicolas ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] octopus paper 2012-03-02 16:23 ` Nicolas Bercher 2012-03-02 16:27 ` John Floren @ 2012-03-02 17:54 ` tlaronde 1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: tlaronde @ 2012-03-02 17:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 05:23:26PM +0100, Nicolas Bercher wrote: > > Here at CNRS, you are starting to struggle against this crazy system: > > 1) we pay to submit papers > 2) we pay to read papers from others > 3) we have to pay more if we want our papers to be freely accessible > 4) we are not paid for peer review > > 4 times a shame, at least. If only the result of such a system would be papers worth reading... -- Thierry Laronde <tlaronde +AT+ polynum +dot+ com> http://www.kergis.com/ Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89 250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F40C ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] octopus paper 2012-03-02 9:37 [9fans] octopus paper Francisco J Ballesteros 2012-03-02 10:24 ` Aram Hăvărneanu @ 2012-03-02 18:47 ` Jack Johnson 2012-03-02 19:23 ` Nemo 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Jack Johnson @ 2012-03-02 18:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 12:37 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros <nemo@lsub.org> wrote: > Given the lag in publication, this system is no longer under development > (though we are still using it), but here's a paper about the Octopus. Hey Francisco, First, I really like the ideas in Octopus. I think it was extremely well-considered, and worth reviewing as people reconsider where and how money is allocated in the various cloud-based infrastructure subsystems, and how much or how little it affects the net effect. Would you say it's more in "maintenance mode" or are you already considering the subsequent cephalopod? :) -Jack ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] octopus paper 2012-03-02 18:47 ` Jack Johnson @ 2012-03-02 19:23 ` Nemo 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Nemo @ 2012-03-02 19:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs I have plans for something related to it in the future, but nix goes before that and it will still take a long time to get there. So, for me, it's just the system I use for development (working on nix, mostly). On Mar 2, 2012, at 7:47 PM, Jack Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 12:37 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros <nemo@lsub.org> wrote: >> Given the lag in publication, this system is no longer under development >> (though we are still using it), but here's a paper about the Octopus. > > Hey Francisco, > > First, I really like the ideas in Octopus. I think it was extremely > well-considered, and worth reviewing as people reconsider where and > how money is allocated in the various cloud-based infrastructure > subsystems, and how much or how little it affects the net effect. > > Would you say it's more in "maintenance mode" or are you already > considering the subsequent cephalopod? :) > > -Jack ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
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