From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <4F50F82B.2030001@yahoo.fr> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 17:41:15 +0100 From: Nicolas Bercher User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111120 Lightning/1.0b2 Icedove/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@9fans.net References: <696E30D6-0A6A-4D46-A942-E5B89A4B72BF@lsub.org> <4F50F3FE.5070706@yahoo.fr> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] octopus paper Topicbox-Message-UUID: 661bf846-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 02/03/2012 17:27, John Floren wrote: > On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Nicolas Bercher wro= te: >> On 02/03/2012 13:11, Charles Forsyth wrote: >>> >>> Welcome to the world of Elsevier, Springer and Wiley. >>> >>> On 2 March 2012 10:29, Francisco J Ballesteros wrot= e: >>> >>>> WoW! I hate them. >>>> It seems my university is subscribed and I could browse it freely=85 >>>> I'll talk to you off list. >>> >>> >> >> Here at CNRS, you are starting to struggle against this crazy system: >> >> 1) we pay to submit papers >> 2) we pay to read papers from others >> 3) we have to pay more if we want our papers to be freely accessible >> 4) we are not paid for peer review >> >> 4 times a shame, at least. >> >> Nicolas >> > > Unless Elsevier is even more evil that I thought, Nemo should still be > able to post a PDF on lsub.org. Now, if they're really evil, they got > exclusive rights... Yes, this is point 5) I forgot. Once your paper is submitted and if you want to publish it via any other fees-less channel, say, this list, I think you need to slightly modifidy your paper. Basically, you give your rights to the publishor/editor on the paper you submitted. We could state that they now own about ~95% of human knowledge, published in the form of specific papers. Somehow, this is scaring. Nicolas