* [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
@ 2012-06-17 17:20 arnold
2012-06-17 18:49 ` Nick LaForge
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From: arnold @ 2012-06-17 17:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
http://raymii.org/cms/p_Small_Linux_PCs_overview
Arnold
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2012-06-17 17:20 [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs arnold
@ 2012-06-17 18:49 ` Nick LaForge
2012-06-17 19:00 ` hiro
2012-06-18 10:52 ` Yaroslav
2012-06-18 12:21 ` Nicolas Bercher
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From: Nick LaForge @ 2012-06-17 18:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
huh. I guess there was a recent machine with sata and GbE and a
decent cpu/ram (tegra 2/1GB). $200. I'm still a little hesitant
about Nvidia, but to avoid further damaging relations with processor
designers I'll defer to Torvalds' statement on the matter from
Thursday in Finland.
-Nick
Sent from my N900 (RIP linux Nokia phones)
On 6/17/12, arnold@skeeve.com <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:
> http://raymii.org/cms/p_Small_Linux_PCs_overview
>
> Arnold
>
>
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-06-17 18:49 ` Nick LaForge
@ 2012-06-17 19:00 ` hiro
2012-06-17 21:20 ` Kurt H Maier
2012-06-18 10:52 ` Yaroslav
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From: hiro @ 2012-06-17 19:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
I have a tegra 2 and it's completely undocumented and only comes with
binary display drivers.
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-06-17 19:00 ` hiro
@ 2012-06-17 21:20 ` Kurt H Maier
2012-06-17 21:36 ` hiro
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From: Kurt H Maier @ 2012-06-17 21:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 09:00:00PM +0200, hiro wrote:
> I have a tegra 2 and it's completely undocumented and only comes with
> binary display drivers.
Speaking of tegra, what the hell happened with linux4tegra? It was
announced, delayed, released, and then pulled? Is that correct?
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-06-17 21:20 ` Kurt H Maier
@ 2012-06-17 21:36 ` hiro
2012-06-17 21:44 ` hiro
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From: hiro @ 2012-06-17 21:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Kurt H Maier <khm-9@intma.in> wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 09:00:00PM +0200, hiro wrote:
>> I have a tegra 2 and it's completely undocumented and only comes with
>> binary display drivers.
>
> Speaking of tegra, what the hell happened with linux4tegra? It was
> announced, delayed, released, and then pulled? Is that correct?
>
linux4tegra exists. I can run quake 3 and drawterm on my ac100,
connected to big TVs via HDMI :D
doesn't help plan9 though.
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-06-17 21:36 ` hiro
@ 2012-06-17 21:44 ` hiro
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From: hiro @ 2012-06-17 21:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
http://h1ro.dyndns.org/IMG_20120403_003343.jpg
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-06-17 18:49 ` Nick LaForge
2012-06-17 19:00 ` hiro
@ 2012-06-18 10:52 ` Yaroslav
2012-06-18 11:33 ` pmarin
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From: Yaroslav @ 2012-06-18 10:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
do you mind quoting it here?
2012/6/17 Nick LaForge <nicklaforge@gmail.com>:
> I'm still a little hesitant
> about Nvidia, but to avoid further damaging relations with processor
> designers I'll defer to Torvalds' statement on the matter from
> Thursday in Finland.
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-06-18 10:52 ` Yaroslav
@ 2012-06-18 11:33 ` pmarin
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From: pmarin @ 2012-06-18 11:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
> do you mind quoting it here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MShbP3OpASA&feature=youtu.be&t=49m45s
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-06-17 17:20 [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs arnold
2012-06-17 18:49 ` Nick LaForge
@ 2012-06-18 12:21 ` Nicolas Bercher
2012-07-16 8:44 ` opryymak
2012-07-16 15:08 ` Jack Norton
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From: Nicolas Bercher @ 2012-06-18 12:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
Le 17/06/2012 19:20, arnold@skeeve.com a écrit :
> http://raymii.org/cms/p_Small_Linux_PCs_overview
>
> Arnold
Thank you a lot. There are some nice devices I've never heard
about before, including the Cubox.
Nicolas
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-06-17 17:20 [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs arnold
2012-06-17 18:49 ` Nick LaForge
2012-06-18 12:21 ` Nicolas Bercher
@ 2012-07-16 8:44 ` opryymak
2012-07-16 10:16 ` Oleksandr Iakovliev
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2012-07-16 15:08 ` Jack Norton
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From: opryymak @ 2012-07-16 8:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
Another neat comparison of 44 tiny devices:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4035896/a320_downloads/SBC_comparison44.pdf
I wonder which one will run Plan9 without much of a hassle. Have to wait somebody to crack RaspberryPi.
On Sunday, 17 June 2012 18:20:35 UTC+1, (unknown) wrote:
> http://raymii.org/cms/p_Small_Linux_PCs_overview
>
> Arnold
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-07-16 8:44 ` opryymak
@ 2012-07-16 10:16 ` Oleksandr Iakovliev
2012-07-16 10:35 ` Lluís Batlle i Rossell
2012-07-16 13:49 ` Wes Kussmaul
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From: Oleksandr Iakovliev @ 2012-07-16 10:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
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Hi,
I am waiting for my RaspPi to start some cracking, but meanwhile you can
have a look at http://kernelnomicon.org/ which is illustrating the
progress for RPi to boot FreeBSD. It provides useful bunch of info about
booting process that RPi uses - can be a very good starting point.
On 2012-07-16 10:44 , opryymak@gmail.com wrote:
> Another neat comparison of 44 tiny devices:
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4035896/a320_downloads/SBC_comparison44.pdf
>
> I wonder which one will run Plan9 without much of a hassle. Have to wait somebody to crack RaspberryPi.
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-07-16 8:44 ` opryymak
2012-07-16 10:16 ` Oleksandr Iakovliev
@ 2012-07-16 10:35 ` Lluís Batlle i Rossell
2012-07-16 13:49 ` Wes Kussmaul
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From: Lluís Batlle i Rossell @ 2012-07-16 10:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 08:44:52AM +0000, opryymak@gmail.com wrote:
> Another neat comparison of 44 tiny devices:
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4035896/a320_downloads/SBC_comparison44.pdf
I think this one looks very good too in terms of price/features, advised by some
colleagues:
http://www.fanlesstech.com/2012/07/minix-tv-box-h24.html
http://dx.com/p/h24-mini-android-4-1-network-media-player-w-wi-fi-hdmi-usb-tf-av-blue-4gb-143241
> On Sunday, 17 June 2012 18:20:35 UTC+1, (unknown) wrote:
> > http://raymii.org/cms/p_Small_Linux_PCs_overview
> >
> > Arnold
>
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-07-16 8:44 ` opryymak
2012-07-16 10:16 ` Oleksandr Iakovliev
2012-07-16 10:35 ` Lluís Batlle i Rossell
@ 2012-07-16 13:49 ` Wes Kussmaul
2012-07-17 16:51 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
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From: Wes Kussmaul @ 2012-07-16 13:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Mon, 2012-07-16 at 08:44 +0000, opryymak@gmail.com wrote:
> Another neat comparison of 44 tiny devices:
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4035896/a320_downloads/SBC_comparison44.pdf
No mention of the $16 Teensy? http://www.pjrc.com/
...or the Arduino?
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-06-17 17:20 [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs arnold
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2012-07-16 8:44 ` opryymak
@ 2012-07-16 15:08 ` Jack Norton
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From: Jack Norton @ 2012-07-16 15:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
I'd like to share with everyone that I've just purchased one of these:
https://www.olimex.com/dev/imx233-olinuxino-micro.html
I liked how they have all their schematics and layouts are on github and
that the freescale chip would be a bit friendlier than something from
nvidia or broadcom (not to mention you can actually purchase low qty of
this chip if you wanted to). There is a larger version as well (go to
Olimex's main site and navigate to the product family 'olinuxino').
I've always had good experiences with Olimex stuff. I am really glad to
see them still in operation.
-Jack
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-07-16 13:49 ` Wes Kussmaul
@ 2012-07-17 16:51 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2012-07-17 16:53 ` erik quanstrom
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From: Ethan Grammatikidis @ 2012-07-17 16:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:49:20 -0400
Wes Kussmaul <wes@authentrus.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-07-16 at 08:44 +0000, opryymak@gmail.com wrote:
> > Another neat comparison of 44 tiny devices:
> > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4035896/a320_downloads/SBC_comparison44.pdf
>
> No mention of the $16 Teensy? http://www.pjrc.com/
It's an 8-bit, what are you going to put on it, CP-M? ;) Granted, some
of the old 8-bit OSs can be quite nice. I really like the one in the
Atari 800, it has a really unified device interface, but it's no Plan 9.
Actually I've toyed with the idea of a "Plan 9 from 8-bit space". It
would be a fun challenge, I think, and I'd be interested to find
exactly what compromises would be needed. It may even be less of a
challenge than writing drivers for the crap peripherals ARM SOCs always
seem to be burdened with, but what could you do with it when it was
done?
>
> ...or the Arduino?
An overpriced and underpowered member of a class of devices that are
far short of running Plan 9 in the first place. And why on Earth is it
programmed in C++?
--
This is obviously some strange usage of the
word "simple" that I was previously unaware of.
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-07-17 16:51 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
@ 2012-07-17 16:53 ` erik quanstrom
2012-07-17 17:33 ` Paul Lalonde
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2012-07-17 17:36 ` Charles Forsyth
2012-07-17 19:12 ` Bakul Shah
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From: erik quanstrom @ 2012-07-17 16:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: eekee57, 9fans
> Actually I've toyed with the idea of a "Plan 9 from 8-bit space". It
> would be a fun challenge, I think, and I'd be interested to find
> exactly what compromises would be needed. It may even be less of a
> challenge than writing drivers for the crap peripherals ARM SOCs always
> seem to be burdened with, but what could you do with it when it was
> done?
you don't want plan 9 on an 8 bit machine.
- erik
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-07-17 16:53 ` erik quanstrom
@ 2012-07-17 17:33 ` Paul Lalonde
2012-07-17 17:40 ` Charles Forsyth
2012-07-17 17:34 ` Kurt H Maier
2012-07-17 18:43 ` Anthony Sorace
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From: Paul Lalonde @ 2012-07-17 17:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
More to the point, you don't want any OS on an 8 bit machine.
A small driver library, maybe. But really, 8 bit machines today are
just for fun little micro-control projects and you really don't want
an OS in the way.
The first thing I did to make an arduino useful was reclaim the timer
thread that the arduino "OS" steals from you...
Paul
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 9:53 AM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
>> Actually I've toyed with the idea of a "Plan 9 from 8-bit space". It
>> would be a fun challenge, I think, and I'd be interested to find
>> exactly what compromises would be needed. It may even be less of a
>> challenge than writing drivers for the crap peripherals ARM SOCs always
>> seem to be burdened with, but what could you do with it when it was
>> done?
>
> you don't want plan 9 on an 8 bit machine.
>
> - erik
>
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-07-17 16:53 ` erik quanstrom
2012-07-17 17:33 ` Paul Lalonde
@ 2012-07-17 17:34 ` Kurt H Maier
2012-07-17 18:16 ` erik quanstrom
2012-07-17 18:43 ` Anthony Sorace
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From: Kurt H Maier @ 2012-07-17 17:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 12:53:05PM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote:
>
> you don't want plan 9 on an 8 bit machine.
>
> - erik
>
Thanks for letting him know, erik. Please also explain his other
hardware opinions, I think he's looking for a keyboard
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-07-17 16:51 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2012-07-17 16:53 ` erik quanstrom
@ 2012-07-17 17:36 ` Charles Forsyth
2012-07-17 19:12 ` Bakul Shah
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From: Charles Forsyth @ 2012-07-17 17:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
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it's an Atmel AVR. we did z[acl] for the ATmega128 in the Berkeley mote,
which is an 8-bit AVR, and I wrote a little 16/32 bit kernel for it.
On 17 July 2012 17:51, Ethan Grammatikidis <eekee57@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> It's an 8-bit, what are you going to put on it,
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2012-07-17 17:33 ` Paul Lalonde
@ 2012-07-17 17:40 ` Charles Forsyth
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From: Charles Forsyth @ 2012-07-17 17:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
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You do on the wireless motes, because you have several networks and a file
system.
There isn't a "user mode" of course, but there are applications. ours was a
noise
monitoring system to some international noise-monitoring standard.
On 17 July 2012 18:33, Paul Lalonde <paul.a.lalonde@gmail.com> wrote:
> A small driver library, maybe. But really, 8 bit machines today are
> just for fun little micro-control projects and you really don't want
> an OS in the way.
>
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-07-17 17:34 ` Kurt H Maier
@ 2012-07-17 18:16 ` erik quanstrom
2012-07-17 18:20 ` Kurt H Maier
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From: erik quanstrom @ 2012-07-17 18:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Tue Jul 17 13:35:18 EDT 2012, khm-9@intma.in wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 12:53:05PM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote:
> >
> > you don't want plan 9 on an 8 bit machine.
> >
> > - erik
> >
>
> Thanks for letting him know, erik. Please also explain his other
> hardware opinions, I think he's looking for a keyboard
it's an opinion that 8 bits don't have mmus?
that's taking relativism to a whole new level.
- erik
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-07-17 18:16 ` erik quanstrom
@ 2012-07-17 18:20 ` Kurt H Maier
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From: Kurt H Maier @ 2012-07-17 18:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 02:16:00PM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote:
>
> it's an opinion that 8 bits don't have mmus?
> that's taking relativism to a whole new level.
>
your original message didn't contain anything approaching useful content
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-07-17 16:53 ` erik quanstrom
2012-07-17 17:33 ` Paul Lalonde
2012-07-17 17:34 ` Kurt H Maier
@ 2012-07-17 18:43 ` Anthony Sorace
2012-07-17 18:49 ` erik quanstrom
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From: Anthony Sorace @ 2012-07-17 18:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs; +Cc: eekee57
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> you don't want plan 9 on an 8 bit machine.
Which, of course, doesn't say anything about wanting styx/9p
on such a machine. Every time we get to this point in this
(recurring) conversation, I'm compelled to make sure everyone
has seen the excellent Styx on a Brick paper, describing work
to export the sensors and motors connected to a Lego
Mindstorm controller over styx.
http://inferno-os.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/doc/lego.pdf
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2012-07-17 18:43 ` Anthony Sorace
@ 2012-07-17 18:49 ` erik quanstrom
2012-07-17 19:09 ` Eli Cohen
2012-07-17 20:33 ` Steve Simon
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From: erik quanstrom @ 2012-07-17 18:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Tue Jul 17 14:44:28 EDT 2012, a@9srv.net wrote:
> > you don't want plan 9 on an 8 bit machine.
>
> Which, of course, doesn't say anything about wanting styx/9p
> on such a machine. Every time we get to this point in this
> (recurring) conversation, I'm compelled to make sure everyone
> has seen the excellent Styx on a Brick paper, describing work
> to export the sensors and motors connected to a Lego
> Mindstorm controller over styx.
>
> http://inferno-os.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/doc/lego.pdf
don't forget jeff's pic controllers.
- erik
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-07-17 18:49 ` erik quanstrom
@ 2012-07-17 19:09 ` Eli Cohen
2012-07-17 19:11 ` hiro
2012-07-17 20:33 ` Steve Simon
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From: Eli Cohen @ 2012-07-17 19:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
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https://github.com/echoline/NinePea too (it needs work)
On Jul 17, 2012 11:52 AM, "erik quanstrom" <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
> On Tue Jul 17 14:44:28 EDT 2012, a@9srv.net wrote:
>
> > > you don't want plan 9 on an 8 bit machine.
> >
> > Which, of course, doesn't say anything about wanting styx/9p
> > on such a machine. Every time we get to this point in this
> > (recurring) conversation, I'm compelled to make sure everyone
> > has seen the excellent Styx on a Brick paper, describing work
> > to export the sensors and motors connected to a Lego
> > Mindstorm controller over styx.
> >
> > http://inferno-os.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/doc/lego.pdf
>
> don't forget jeff's pic controllers.
>
> - erik
>
>
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-07-17 19:09 ` Eli Cohen
@ 2012-07-17 19:11 ` hiro
2012-07-17 20:10 ` Eli Cohen
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From: hiro @ 2012-07-17 19:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
why does this have a .cpp file?
On 7/17/12, Eli Cohen <echoline@gmail.com> wrote:
> https://github.com/echoline/NinePea too (it needs work)
> On Jul 17, 2012 11:52 AM, "erik quanstrom" <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
>
>> On Tue Jul 17 14:44:28 EDT 2012, a@9srv.net wrote:
>>
>> > > you don't want plan 9 on an 8 bit machine.
>> >
>> > Which, of course, doesn't say anything about wanting styx/9p
>> > on such a machine. Every time we get to this point in this
>> > (recurring) conversation, I'm compelled to make sure everyone
>> > has seen the excellent Styx on a Brick paper, describing work
>> > to export the sensors and motors connected to a Lego
>> > Mindstorm controller over styx.
>> >
>> > http://inferno-os.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/doc/lego.pdf
>>
>> don't forget jeff's pic controllers.
>>
>> - erik
>>
>>
>
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-07-17 16:51 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2012-07-17 16:53 ` erik quanstrom
2012-07-17 17:36 ` Charles Forsyth
@ 2012-07-17 19:12 ` Bakul Shah
2012-07-17 19:16 ` erik quanstrom
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From: Bakul Shah @ 2012-07-17 19:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:51:13 BST Ethan Grammatikidis <eekee57@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> Actually I've toyed with the idea of a "Plan 9 from 8-bit space". It
> would be a fun challenge, I think, and I'd be interested to find
> exactly what compromises would be needed. It may even be less of a
> challenge than writing drivers for the crap peripherals ARM SOCs always
> seem to be burdened with, but what could you do with it when it was
> done?
What would be possible is to build a general purpose
building block. Something like this:
- provide a tiny thread library
- provide 9p over USB|serial|UDP
- implement a simple 9p server framework & export a server
side interface where one can plug in sensor/actuator
specific routines and specify the FS layout via a string.
- implement a namespace convention for discovering
capabilities (for example a "help/" dir)
- it should be implementable as a verilog block some day!
may be not but imagining that keeps the design simple.
Actually it doesn't have to be 9p. It can be something
simpler.
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-07-17 19:12 ` Bakul Shah
@ 2012-07-17 19:16 ` erik quanstrom
2012-07-17 19:54 ` Oleksandr Iakovliev
2012-07-17 19:20 ` hiro
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From: erik quanstrom @ 2012-07-17 19:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> Actually it doesn't have to be 9p. It can be something
> simpler.
you should read the iwp9 papers!
- erik
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-07-17 19:12 ` Bakul Shah
2012-07-17 19:16 ` erik quanstrom
@ 2012-07-17 19:20 ` hiro
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From: hiro @ 2012-07-17 19:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On 7/17/12, Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:51:13 BST Ethan Grammatikidis <eekee57@fastmail.fm>
> wrote:
>> Actually I've toyed with the idea of a "Plan 9 from 8-bit space". It
>> would be a fun challenge, I think, and I'd be interested to find
>> exactly what compromises would be needed. It may even be less of a
>> challenge than writing drivers for the crap peripherals ARM SOCs always
>> seem to be burdened with, but what could you do with it when it was
>> done?
>
> What would be possible is to build a general purpose
> building block. Something like this:
> - provide a tiny thread library
> - provide 9p over USB|serial|UDP
> - implement a simple 9p server framework & export a server
> side interface where one can plug in sensor/actuator
> specific routines and specify the FS layout via a string.
> - implement a namespace convention for discovering
> capabilities (for example a "help/" dir)
> - it should be implementable as a verilog block some day!
> may be not but imagining that keeps the design simple.
>
> Actually it doesn't have to be 9p. It can be something
> simpler.
well, then do it if you think so.
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
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@ 2012-07-17 19:33 ` erik quanstrom
2012-07-17 20:02 ` Bakul Shah
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From: erik quanstrom @ 2012-07-17 19:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> > What would be possible is to build a general purpose
> > building block. Something like this:
> > - provide a tiny thread library
> > - provide 9p over USB|serial|UDP
> > - implement a simple 9p server framework & export a server
> > side interface where one can plug in sensor/actuator
> > specific routines and specify the FS layout via a string.
> > - implement a namespace convention for discovering
> > capabilities (for example a "help/" dir)
> > - it should be implementable as a verilog block some day!
> > may be not but imagining that keeps the design simple.
> >
> > Actually it doesn't have to be 9p. It can be something
> > simpler.
>
> well, then do it if you think so.
what i was trying to say before, is that there is already
some research in the area. it doesn't have to be proven possible.
see:
"9p for embedded devices" http://iwp9.inf.uth.gr/.
and "levitating across the river styx"
http://4e.iwp9.org/papers/levitation.pdf
- erik
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-07-17 19:16 ` erik quanstrom
@ 2012-07-17 19:54 ` Oleksandr Iakovliev
2012-07-17 20:12 ` erik quanstrom
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From: Oleksandr Iakovliev @ 2012-07-17 19:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
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On 2012-07-17 21:16 , erik quanstrom wrote:
>> Actually it doesn't have to be 9p. It can be something
>> simpler.
> you should read the iwp9 papers!
>
> - erik
>
by the way, are there papers/slides from 6th(2011)? haven't seen them
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-07-17 19:33 ` erik quanstrom
@ 2012-07-17 20:02 ` Bakul Shah
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From: Bakul Shah @ 2012-07-17 20:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:33:59 EDT erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
> > > What would be possible is to build a general purpose
> > > building block. Something like this:
> > > - provide a tiny thread library
> > > - provide 9p over USB|serial|UDP
> > > - implement a simple 9p server framework & export a server
> > > side interface where one can plug in sensor/actuator
> > > specific routines and specify the FS layout via a string.
> > > - implement a namespace convention for discovering
> > > capabilities (for example a "help/" dir)
> > > - it should be implementable as a verilog block some day!
> > > may be not but imagining that keeps the design simple.
> > >
> > > Actually it doesn't have to be 9p. It can be something
> > > simpler.
> >
> > well, then do it if you think so.
>
> what i was trying to say before, is that there is already
> some research in the area. it doesn't have to be proven possible.
>
> see:
>
> "9p for embedded devices" http://iwp9.inf.uth.gr/.
> and "levitating across the river styx"
> http://4e.iwp9.org/papers/levitation.pdf
I have read the styx papers. The concept is of course not new.
What I am talking about is packaging up as a reusable
component. Specifically
- server side api
- ability to discover capabilities. no new client side drivers
for each new device.
As for "simpler than 9p" I had a different thing in mind from
what is in various iwp9 papers. Not worth talking about in the
abstract.
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-07-17 19:11 ` hiro
@ 2012-07-17 20:10 ` Eli Cohen
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From: Eli Cohen @ 2012-07-17 20:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
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Arduino uses C++. I guess it could be a .c file, though.
On Jul 17, 2012 12:14 PM, "hiro" <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote:
> why does this have a .cpp file?
>
> On 7/17/12, Eli Cohen <echoline@gmail.com> wrote:
> > https://github.com/echoline/NinePea too (it needs work)
> > On Jul 17, 2012 11:52 AM, "erik quanstrom" <quanstro@quanstro.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue Jul 17 14:44:28 EDT 2012, a@9srv.net wrote:
> >>
> >> > > you don't want plan 9 on an 8 bit machine.
> >> >
> >> > Which, of course, doesn't say anything about wanting styx/9p
> >> > on such a machine. Every time we get to this point in this
> >> > (recurring) conversation, I'm compelled to make sure everyone
> >> > has seen the excellent Styx on a Brick paper, describing work
> >> > to export the sensors and motors connected to a Lego
> >> > Mindstorm controller over styx.
> >> >
> >> > http://inferno-os.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/doc/lego.pdf
> >>
> >> don't forget jeff's pic controllers.
> >>
> >> - erik
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-07-17 19:54 ` Oleksandr Iakovliev
@ 2012-07-17 20:12 ` erik quanstrom
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From: erik quanstrom @ 2012-07-17 20:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> by the way, are there papers/slides from 6th(2011)? haven't seen them
; hget http://iwp9.org/iwp96e.pdf|page
- erik
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-07-17 18:49 ` erik quanstrom
2012-07-17 19:09 ` Eli Cohen
@ 2012-07-17 20:33 ` Steve Simon
2012-07-17 20:49 ` erik quanstrom
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From: Steve Simon @ 2012-07-17 20:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> don't forget jeff's pic controllers.
perhaps I have forgotten, perhaps I missed them
link please ?
-Steve
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-07-17 20:33 ` Steve Simon
@ 2012-07-17 20:49 ` erik quanstrom
2012-07-17 22:01 ` hiro
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From: erik quanstrom @ 2012-07-17 20:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Tue Jul 17 16:34:44 EDT 2012, steve@quintile.net wrote:
> > don't forget jeff's pic controllers.
>
> perhaps I have forgotten, perhaps I missed them
>
> link please ?
see http://9fans.net/archive/2012/07/49
http://4e.iwp9.org/papers/levitation.pdf
- erik
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* Re: [9fans] apparently nice summary of small linux pcs
2012-07-17 20:49 ` erik quanstrom
@ 2012-07-17 22:01 ` hiro
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From: hiro @ 2012-07-17 22:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
thanks for all the links - this thread is getting useful :)
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