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From: Hiro <23hiro@googlemail.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Man pages for add-ons
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:33:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4bb09e0e.0f0db80a.53eb.78bb@mx.google.com> (raw)

No, complexity was always there. Science and also computer science try to address this problem with the help of various tools and if you don't know which one of them to use it is your own fault.
If you don't want to or cannot you are free to go and live in a forest, because we won't just go away to make you feel better.
Don't show any mercy, do it the right way. In the end everyone will benefit.

I'm just sick of this shit, sorry. And back to work!

-----Original Message-----
From: Ethan Grammatikidis <eekee57@fastmail.fm>
Sent: Montag, 29. März 2010 13:29
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Man pages for add-ons

On 29 Mar 2010, at 10:07, Patrick Kelly wrote:

>> since we are trying so hard to create new problems for Plan 9, should
>> i assume the old ones have all been solved?
>
> Sadly I think this is just people adding complexity because, 'that’s  
> how Linux does it', and must be correct. Either that or they desire  
> complexity for familiarity; an even more chilling possibility.

On my part I guess I'm assuming complexity will come, whether we like  
it or not. I don't find it easy to believe that we can avoid  
complexity forever, and I get the feeling some relatively rapid growth  
is coming. Could Plan 9 grows to the point of having many GUI  
applications and many facilities to support those apps and it still  
get by without any sort of package manager? Heh, actually I hope we  
can. I was involved with maintaining a linux distro for a few years  
and even given a much saner base system I'm not keen on taking up  
package maintenance again. A script or two to help find what was  
installed might be just the thing, and let "upstream" sort out whether  
their code works with anyone else's.

-- 
Simplicity does not precede complexity, but follows it. -- Alan Perlis






             reply	other threads:[~2010-03-29 12:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-29 12:33 Hiro [this message]
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2010-03-29 10:12 Hiro
2010-03-25 11:49 tlaronde
2010-03-25 13:37 ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-25 15:31   ` tlaronde
2010-03-25 15:36     ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-26  1:07       ` EBo
2010-03-25 16:03     ` Steve Simon
2010-03-25 18:11   ` lucio
2010-03-25 19:05     ` Tim Newsham
2010-03-25 19:36       ` lucio
2010-03-25 19:42         ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-26  0:52   ` EBo
2010-03-26  1:36     ` Jacob Todd
2010-03-26  2:05       ` ron minnich
2010-03-26  5:02       ` EBo
2010-03-26  5:52         ` Federico G. Benavento
2010-03-26 13:33           ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-26  5:59         ` Anthony Sorace
2010-03-26  6:09           ` Federico G. Benavento
2010-03-26  6:12           ` EBo
2010-03-26  6:24             ` Federico G. Benavento
2010-03-26  7:08               ` EBo
2010-03-26 13:24                 ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-26 13:09           ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-26 16:45         ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2010-03-26 16:55           ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-26 17:00             ` ron minnich
2010-03-26 17:12               ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-26 17:10             ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2010-03-26 17:13               ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-26 17:15                 ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2010-03-26 17:21                   ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-26 17:31                     ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2010-03-26 17:36                       ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-26 17:56                         ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2010-03-26 18:44                           ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-26 18:57                             ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2010-03-26 21:17                             ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-03-26 21:30                               ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-26 21:49                                 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-03-26 17:31                 ` Federico G. Benavento
2010-03-26 17:34                   ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2010-03-26 21:15                     ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-03-26 21:32                       ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-26 22:37                         ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-03-27  4:32                           ` lucio
2010-03-27 17:39                           ` Tim Newsham
2010-03-27 22:37                       ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2010-03-26 16:56           ` ron minnich
2010-03-26 17:05             ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-26 21:50             ` tlaronde
2010-03-27  4:15               ` lucio
2010-03-27  7:53                 ` Steve Simon
2010-03-27  8:40                   ` lucio
2010-03-27  9:30                     ` Federico G. Benavento
2010-03-27 13:41                       ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-27 13:08                   ` Anthony Sorace
2010-03-27 11:20                 ` tlaronde
2010-03-26 17:05           ` Anthony Sorace
2010-03-26 20:21         ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-03-27 16:46           ` Tim Newsham
2010-03-27 16:54             ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-27 17:58               ` Federico G. Benavento
2010-03-27 18:09                 ` erik quanstrom
     [not found]                   ` <f4d8fa41003271132k7d7e839fk78999c75ddf4b6af@mail.gmail.com>
2010-03-27 18:33                     ` hiro
2010-03-27 23:45               ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2010-03-28  0:39                 ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-27 23:56               ` Tim Newsham
2010-03-28  0:45                 ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-28  0:52                   ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2010-03-28  0:55                     ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-28  1:02                       ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2010-03-28 19:06               ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-03-28 19:36                 ` Federico G. Benavento
2010-03-28 20:04                   ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-28 22:59                   ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-03-28 23:28                     ` hiro
2010-03-29  0:59                       ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-03-29  2:11                         ` Iruata Souza
2010-03-29  9:07                           ` Patrick Kelly
2010-03-29 11:29                             ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-03-29 12:14                               ` Patrick Kelly
2010-03-29 12:41                                 ` Connor Lane Smith
2010-03-29 13:05                                   ` Patrick Kelly
2010-03-29 13:23                                     ` Connor Lane Smith
2010-03-29 13:58                                       ` Steve Simon
2010-03-29 19:29                                 ` Georg Lehner
2010-03-29 22:35                                   ` Patrick Kelly
2010-03-29 14:14                               ` blstuart
2010-03-29  1:00                     ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-27 17:49             ` Federico G. Benavento
2010-03-28 18:56             ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-03-28 20:09               ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-28 21:27           ` Jacob Todd
2010-03-25 14:07 ` Steve Simon
2010-03-25 15:48   ` tlaronde
2010-03-26  2:02 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-03-26  2:04   ` erik quanstrom

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