From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <4bb09e0e.0f0db80a.53eb.78bb@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Hiro <23hiro@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:33:10 +0200 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Re: [9fans] Man pages for add-ons Topicbox-Message-UUID: f78ee574-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 No, complexity was always there. Science and also computer science try to a= ddress this problem with the help of various tools and if you don't know wh= ich one of them to use it is your own fault. If you don't want to or cannot you are free to go and live in a forest, bec= ause we won't just go away to make you feel better. Don't show any mercy, do it the right way. In the end everyone will benefit= . I'm just sick of this shit, sorry. And back to work! -----Original Message----- From: Ethan Grammatikidis Sent: Montag, 29. M=E4rz 2010 13:29 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Man pages for add-ons On 29 Mar 2010, at 10:07, Patrick Kelly wrote: >> since we are trying so hard to create new problems for Plan 9, should >> i assume the old ones have all been solved? > > Sadly I think this is just people adding complexity because, 'that=92s =20 > how Linux does it', and must be correct. Either that or they desire =20 > complexity for familiarity; an even more chilling possibility. On my part I guess I'm assuming complexity will come, whether we like =20 it or not. I don't find it easy to believe that we can avoid =20 complexity forever, and I get the feeling some relatively rapid growth =20 is coming. Could Plan 9 grows to the point of having many GUI =20 applications and many facilities to support those apps and it still =20 get by without any sort of package manager? Heh, actually I hope we =20 can. I was involved with maintaining a linux distro for a few years =20 and even given a much saner base system I'm not keen on taking up =20 package maintenance again. A script or two to help find what was =20 installed might be just the thing, and let "upstream" sort out whether =20 their code works with anyone else's. --=20 Simplicity does not precede complexity, but follows it. -- Alan Perlis