* [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS @ 2009-07-10 16:05 Lorenzo Bolla 2009-07-10 16:30 ` André Günther ` (4 more replies) 0 siblings, 5 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Lorenzo Bolla @ 2009-07-10 16:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 538 bytes --] Hi all, I've just installed (with few difficulties, I must admit) a fresh Plan9 on my Dell Inspiron laptop. I played with it and I'd really like to study it and get used to it. Ideally, I would like to make it my "everyday OS", to do all the nice stuff you can do with a computer (a part from work and study), like browsing the web, watching movies and so on... Is anyone using it for such things? Is there, for example, a decent browser for Plan9 (I haven't found any)? Or a music/movie player? Thanks in advance, Lorenzo. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 581 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 16:05 [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS Lorenzo Bolla @ 2009-07-10 16:30 ` André Günther 2009-07-10 16:52 ` John Floren 2009-07-10 16:44 ` maht ` (3 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: André Günther @ 2009-07-10 16:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs there's a thing called mailing list archives. and you know..heh..there's this funny thing..dunno, it's called google or something. what you do is: type some words and then hit return...and wooha it searches like the whole web. it's magic. On Jul 10, 2009, at 6:05 PM, Lorenzo Bolla wrote: > Hi all, > I've just installed (with few difficulties, I must admit) a fresh > Plan9 on my Dell Inspiron laptop. > I played with it and I'd really like to study it and get used to it. > Ideally, I would like to make it my "everyday OS", to do all the > nice stuff you can do with a computer (a part from work and study), > like browsing the web, watching movies and so on... > Is anyone using it for such things? > Is there, for example, a decent browser for Plan9 (I haven't found > any)? > Or a music/movie player? > > Thanks in advance, > Lorenzo. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 16:30 ` André Günther @ 2009-07-10 16:52 ` John Floren 2009-07-10 17:07 ` Noah Evans 2009-07-10 17:27 ` Ethan Grammatikidis 0 siblings, 2 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: John Floren @ 2009-07-10 16:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs At least once a month it happens. We can't escape. We're forever doomed to get a "Can I use Plan 9 as my desktop OS for web browsing and watching movies and stuff?" thread every couple weeks, because people are only willing to spend juuuust enough effort to find the Plan 9 web page and subscribe to 9fans. John On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:30 AM, André Günther<Andre.G@gmx.de> wrote: > there's a thing called mailing list archives. > and you know..heh..there's this funny thing..dunno, it's called google or > something. > what you do is: type some words and then hit return...and wooha it searches > like the whole web. it's magic. > > On Jul 10, 2009, at 6:05 PM, Lorenzo Bolla wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I've just installed (with few difficulties, I must admit) a fresh Plan9 on >> my Dell Inspiron laptop. >> I played with it and I'd really like to study it and get used to it. >> Ideally, I would like to make it my "everyday OS", to do all the nice >> stuff you can do with a computer (a part from work and study), like browsing >> the web, watching movies and so on... >> Is anyone using it for such things? >> Is there, for example, a decent browser for Plan9 (I haven't found any)? >> Or a music/movie player? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Lorenzo. > > > -- "I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechCrunch in my RSS reader, and drinking absinthe. It doesn't work. I'm going back to C, Hunter S. Thompson, and cheap whiskey." -- Ted Dziuba ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 16:52 ` John Floren @ 2009-07-10 17:07 ` Noah Evans 2009-07-10 17:27 ` Joseph Stewart 2009-07-10 17:30 ` hiro 2009-07-10 17:27 ` Ethan Grammatikidis 1 sibling, 2 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Noah Evans @ 2009-07-10 17:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs There's nothing wrong with being new. There's nothing wrong with being polite either. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 10, 2009, at 6:52 PM, John Floren <slawmaster@gmail.com> wrote: > At least once a month it happens. We can't escape. We're forever > doomed to get a "Can I use Plan 9 as my desktop OS for web browsing > and watching movies and stuff?" thread every couple weeks, because > people are only willing to spend juuuust enough effort to find the > Plan 9 web page and subscribe to 9fans. > > > John > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:30 AM, André Günther<Andre.G@gmx.de> wrot > e: >> there's a thing called mailing list archives. >> and you know..heh..there's this funny thing..dunno, it's called >> google or >> something. >> what you do is: type some words and then hit return...and wooha it >> searches >> like the whole web. it's magic. >> >> On Jul 10, 2009, at 6:05 PM, Lorenzo Bolla wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> I've just installed (with few difficulties, I must admit) a fresh >>> Plan9 on >>> my Dell Inspiron laptop. >>> I played with it and I'd really like to study it and get used to it. >>> Ideally, I would like to make it my "everyday OS", to do all the >>> nice >>> stuff you can do with a computer (a part from work and study), >>> like browsing >>> the web, watching movies and so on... >>> Is anyone using it for such things? >>> Is there, for example, a decent browser for Plan9 (I haven't found >>> any)? >>> Or a music/movie player? >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> Lorenzo. >> >> >> > > > > -- > "I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechCrunch in my RSS > reader, and drinking absinthe. It doesn't work. I'm going back to C, > Hunter S. Thompson, and cheap whiskey." -- Ted Dziuba > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 17:07 ` Noah Evans @ 2009-07-10 17:27 ` Joseph Stewart 2009-07-10 17:46 ` john 2009-07-10 20:44 ` Noah Evans 2009-07-10 17:30 ` hiro 1 sibling, 2 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Joseph Stewart @ 2009-07-10 17:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2001 bytes --] Thanks for saying what I didn't have the words to say. May I quote you forever? -joe On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Noah Evans <noah.evans@gmail.com> wrote: > There's nothing wrong with being new. There's nothing wrong with being > polite either. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 10, 2009, at 6:52 PM, John Floren <slawmaster@gmail.com> wrote: > > At least once a month it happens. We can't escape. We're forever >> doomed to get a "Can I use Plan 9 as my desktop OS for web browsing >> and watching movies and stuff?" thread every couple weeks, because >> people are only willing to spend juuuust enough effort to find the >> Plan 9 web page and subscribe to 9fans. >> >> >> John >> >> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:30 AM, André Günther<Andre.G@gmx.de> wrote: >> >>> there's a thing called mailing list archives. >>> and you know..heh..there's this funny thing..dunno, it's called google or >>> something. >>> what you do is: type some words and then hit return...and wooha it >>> searches >>> like the whole web. it's magic. >>> >>> On Jul 10, 2009, at 6:05 PM, Lorenzo Bolla wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>>> I've just installed (with few difficulties, I must admit) a fresh Plan9 >>>> on >>>> my Dell Inspiron laptop. >>>> I played with it and I'd really like to study it and get used to it. >>>> Ideally, I would like to make it my "everyday OS", to do all the nice >>>> stuff you can do with a computer (a part from work and study), like >>>> browsing >>>> the web, watching movies and so on... >>>> Is anyone using it for such things? >>>> Is there, for example, a decent browser for Plan9 (I haven't found any)? >>>> Or a music/movie player? >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance, >>>> Lorenzo. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> "I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechCrunch in my RSS >> reader, and drinking absinthe. It doesn't work. I'm going back to C, >> Hunter S. Thompson, and cheap whiskey." -- Ted Dziuba >> >> > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2866 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 17:27 ` Joseph Stewart @ 2009-07-10 17:46 ` john 2009-07-10 17:49 ` Don Bailey 2009-07-10 21:06 ` J.R. Mauro 2009-07-10 20:44 ` Noah Evans 1 sibling, 2 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: john @ 2009-07-10 17:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans I'm tired of the perpetual September, after several years of being polite and pointing people to the wiki and the archives. Even Ghandi would have eventually gotten sick of people asking, "So, hey, what's up with this thing you're doing here, and how are the British involved?" Resuming operation as a human Google proxy in 3... 2... 1... I use Plan 9 as my desktop for development. I keep a Linux laptop beside the desktop for running a browser, although I've been fiddling with linuxemu so I can potentially use just the Plan 9 box. When I'm at home, I use a Linux box for watching movies and everything else, although I could do basically everything except web browsing and movie watching from within Plan 9 there too. It's really a pretty good time to start using Plan 9, if you're willing to put in a little work. fgb's contrib(1) scripts make it easy to install software, some of which is very useful in migrating from Linux or interoperating with Linux; I'm using openssh on a daily basis, I've been using X11 as I experiment with linuxemu, and I just installed TeX which I'll probably try next time I have to write a paper. It also feels like the number of users is growing, despite my increasingly curmudgeonly sentiments (durn kids git orf mah lawn). We're also gaining recognition in the general OS world and especially in supercomputing, thanks to the FastOS work. I probably said a lot of this last time somebody posted one of these threads. I'll probably say it again the next time. John > Thanks for saying what I didn't have the words to say. May I quote you > forever? > -joe > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Noah Evans <noah.evans@gmail.com> wrote: > >> There's nothing wrong with being new. There's nothing wrong with being >> polite either. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On Jul 10, 2009, at 6:52 PM, John Floren <slawmaster@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> At least once a month it happens. We can't escape. We're forever >>> doomed to get a "Can I use Plan 9 as my desktop OS for web browsing >>> and watching movies and stuff?" thread every couple weeks, because >>> people are only willing to spend juuuust enough effort to find the >>> Plan 9 web page and subscribe to 9fans. >>> >>> >>> John >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:30 AM, André Günther<Andre.G@gmx.de> wrote: >>> >>>> there's a thing called mailing list archives. >>>> and you know..heh..there's this funny thing..dunno, it's called google or >>>> something. >>>> what you do is: type some words and then hit return...and wooha it >>>> searches >>>> like the whole web. it's magic. >>>> >>>> On Jul 10, 2009, at 6:05 PM, Lorenzo Bolla wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>>> I've just installed (with few difficulties, I must admit) a fresh Plan9 >>>>> on >>>>> my Dell Inspiron laptop. >>>>> I played with it and I'd really like to study it and get used to it. >>>>> Ideally, I would like to make it my "everyday OS", to do all the nice >>>>> stuff you can do with a computer (a part from work and study), like >>>>> browsing >>>>> the web, watching movies and so on... >>>>> Is anyone using it for such things? >>>>> Is there, for example, a decent browser for Plan9 (I haven't found any)? >>>>> Or a music/movie player? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks in advance, >>>>> Lorenzo. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechCrunch in my RSS >>> reader, and drinking absinthe. It doesn't work. I'm going back to C, >>> Hunter S. Thompson, and cheap whiskey." -- Ted Dziuba >>> >>> >> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 17:46 ` john @ 2009-07-10 17:49 ` Don Bailey 2009-07-10 21:06 ` J.R. Mauro 1 sibling, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Don Bailey @ 2009-07-10 17:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 160 bytes --] Didn't your mother tell you saying nothing is better than saying something rude? :-) I've learned this new thing in the past few years. It's hard, I know... [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 212 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 17:46 ` john 2009-07-10 17:49 ` Don Bailey @ 2009-07-10 21:06 ` J.R. Mauro 2009-07-10 21:35 ` Devon H. O'Dell 1 sibling, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: J.R. Mauro @ 2009-07-10 21:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:46 PM, <john@csplan9.rit.edu> wrote: > > I'm tired of the perpetual September, after several years of being > polite and pointing people to the wiki and the archives. You could filter instead of bitching and contributing to the noise. > > Even Ghandi would have eventually gotten sick of people asking, "So, > hey, what's up with this thing you're doing here, and how are the > British involved?" > > Resuming operation as a human Google proxy in 3... 2... 1... > > I use Plan 9 as my desktop for development. I keep a Linux laptop > beside the desktop for running a browser, although I've been fiddling > with linuxemu so I can potentially use just the Plan 9 box. When I'm > at home, I use a Linux box for watching movies and everything else, > although I could do basically everything except web browsing and movie > watching from within Plan 9 there too. > > It's really a pretty good time to start using Plan 9, if you're > willing to put in a little work. fgb's contrib(1) scripts make it > easy to install software, some of which is very useful in migrating > from Linux or interoperating with Linux; I'm using openssh on a daily > basis, I've been using X11 as I experiment with linuxemu, and I just > installed TeX which I'll probably try next time I have to write a > paper. It also feels like the number of users is growing, despite my > increasingly curmudgeonly sentiments (durn kids git orf mah lawn). > We're also gaining recognition in the general OS world and especially > in supercomputing, thanks to the FastOS work. > > I probably said a lot of this last time somebody posted one of these > threads. I'll probably say it again the next time. > > > > > John > >> Thanks for saying what I didn't have the words to say. May I quote you >> forever? >> -joe >> >> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Noah Evans <noah.evans@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> There's nothing wrong with being new. There's nothing wrong with being >>> polite either. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Jul 10, 2009, at 6:52 PM, John Floren <slawmaster@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> At least once a month it happens. We can't escape. We're forever >>>> doomed to get a "Can I use Plan 9 as my desktop OS for web browsing >>>> and watching movies and stuff?" thread every couple weeks, because >>>> people are only willing to spend juuuust enough effort to find the >>>> Plan 9 web page and subscribe to 9fans. >>>> >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:30 AM, André Günther<Andre.G@gmx.de> wrote: >>>> >>>>> there's a thing called mailing list archives. >>>>> and you know..heh..there's this funny thing..dunno, it's called google or >>>>> something. >>>>> what you do is: type some words and then hit return...and wooha it >>>>> searches >>>>> like the whole web. it's magic. >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 10, 2009, at 6:05 PM, Lorenzo Bolla wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> I've just installed (with few difficulties, I must admit) a fresh Plan9 >>>>>> on >>>>>> my Dell Inspiron laptop. >>>>>> I played with it and I'd really like to study it and get used to it. >>>>>> Ideally, I would like to make it my "everyday OS", to do all the nice >>>>>> stuff you can do with a computer (a part from work and study), like >>>>>> browsing >>>>>> the web, watching movies and so on... >>>>>> Is anyone using it for such things? >>>>>> Is there, for example, a decent browser for Plan9 (I haven't found any)? >>>>>> Or a music/movie player? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks in advance, >>>>>> Lorenzo. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechCrunch in my RSS >>>> reader, and drinking absinthe. It doesn't work. I'm going back to C, >>>> Hunter S. Thompson, and cheap whiskey." -- Ted Dziuba >>>> >>>> >>> > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 21:06 ` J.R. Mauro @ 2009-07-10 21:35 ` Devon H. O'Dell 2009-07-10 21:46 ` J.R. Mauro 2009-07-10 21:59 ` Jason Catena 0 siblings, 2 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Devon H. O'Dell @ 2009-07-10 21:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs 2009/7/10 J.R. Mauro <jrm8005@gmail.com>: > On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:46 PM, <john@csplan9.rit.edu> wrote: >> >> I'm tired of the perpetual September, after several years of being >> polite and pointing people to the wiki and the archives. > > You could filter instead of bitching and contributing to the noise. Spoken like a true hypocrite ;) --dho ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 21:35 ` Devon H. O'Dell @ 2009-07-10 21:46 ` J.R. Mauro 2009-07-10 21:59 ` Jason Catena 1 sibling, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: J.R. Mauro @ 2009-07-10 21:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Devon H. O'Dell<devon.odell@gmail.com> wrote: > 2009/7/10 J.R. Mauro <jrm8005@gmail.com>: >> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:46 PM, <john@csplan9.rit.edu> wrote: >>> >>> I'm tired of the perpetual September, after several years of being >>> polite and pointing people to the wiki and the archives. >> >> You could filter instead of bitching and contributing to the noise. > > Spoken like a true hypocrite ;) Oh, no, I carefully just said `you'. I intend to not filter, bitch, contribute to noise, and possibly other horrible things. Like spam the list with your picture of the sexy plumber. > > --dho > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 21:35 ` Devon H. O'Dell 2009-07-10 21:46 ` J.R. Mauro @ 2009-07-10 21:59 ` Jason Catena 1 sibling, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Jason Catena @ 2009-07-10 21:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs "Much anger there is in him. Too much pride in his powers." Jason Catena ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 17:27 ` Joseph Stewart 2009-07-10 17:46 ` john @ 2009-07-10 20:44 ` Noah Evans 2009-07-10 20:56 ` Don Bailey 1 sibling, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: Noah Evans @ 2009-07-10 20:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Heh.. go ahead. On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Joseph Stewart<joseph.stewart@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for saying what I didn't have the words to say. May I quote you > forever? > -joe > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Noah Evans <noah.evans@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> There's nothing wrong with being new. There's nothing wrong with being >> polite either. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 10, 2009, at 6:52 PM, John Floren <slawmaster@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> At least once a month it happens. We can't escape. We're forever >>> doomed to get a "Can I use Plan 9 as my desktop OS for web browsing >>> and watching movies and stuff?" thread every couple weeks, because >>> people are only willing to spend juuuust enough effort to find the >>> Plan 9 web page and subscribe to 9fans. >>> >>> >>> John >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:30 AM, André Günther<Andre.G@gmx.de> wrote: >>>> >>>> there's a thing called mailing list archives. >>>> and you know..heh..there's this funny thing..dunno, it's called google >>>> or >>>> something. >>>> what you do is: type some words and then hit return...and wooha it >>>> searches >>>> like the whole web. it's magic. >>>> >>>> On Jul 10, 2009, at 6:05 PM, Lorenzo Bolla wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> I've just installed (with few difficulties, I must admit) a fresh Plan9 >>>>> on >>>>> my Dell Inspiron laptop. >>>>> I played with it and I'd really like to study it and get used to it. >>>>> Ideally, I would like to make it my "everyday OS", to do all the nice >>>>> stuff you can do with a computer (a part from work and study), like >>>>> browsing >>>>> the web, watching movies and so on... >>>>> Is anyone using it for such things? >>>>> Is there, for example, a decent browser for Plan9 (I haven't found >>>>> any)? >>>>> Or a music/movie player? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks in advance, >>>>> Lorenzo. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechCrunch in my RSS >>> reader, and drinking absinthe. It doesn't work. I'm going back to C, >>> Hunter S. Thompson, and cheap whiskey." -- Ted Dziuba >>> >> > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 20:44 ` Noah Evans @ 2009-07-10 20:56 ` Don Bailey 0 siblings, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Don Bailey @ 2009-07-10 20:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2563 bytes --] "And the King shall answer and say to them, Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you have done it to one of the least of these my brothers, you have done it to me." On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Noah Evans <noah.evans@gmail.com> wrote: > Heh.. go ahead. > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Joseph Stewart<joseph.stewart@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Thanks for saying what I didn't have the words to say. May I quote you > > forever? > > -joe > > > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Noah Evans <noah.evans@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> There's nothing wrong with being new. There's nothing wrong with being > >> polite either. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Jul 10, 2009, at 6:52 PM, John Floren <slawmaster@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> At least once a month it happens. We can't escape. We're forever > >>> doomed to get a "Can I use Plan 9 as my desktop OS for web browsing > >>> and watching movies and stuff?" thread every couple weeks, because > >>> people are only willing to spend juuuust enough effort to find the > >>> Plan 9 web page and subscribe to 9fans. > >>> > >>> > >>> John > >>> > >>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:30 AM, André Günther<Andre.G@gmx.de> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> there's a thing called mailing list archives. > >>>> and you know..heh..there's this funny thing..dunno, it's called google > >>>> or > >>>> something. > >>>> what you do is: type some words and then hit return...and wooha it > >>>> searches > >>>> like the whole web. it's magic. > >>>> > >>>> On Jul 10, 2009, at 6:05 PM, Lorenzo Bolla wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi all, > >>>>> I've just installed (with few difficulties, I must admit) a fresh > Plan9 > >>>>> on > >>>>> my Dell Inspiron laptop. > >>>>> I played with it and I'd really like to study it and get used to it. > >>>>> Ideally, I would like to make it my "everyday OS", to do all the nice > >>>>> stuff you can do with a computer (a part from work and study), like > >>>>> browsing > >>>>> the web, watching movies and so on... > >>>>> Is anyone using it for such things? > >>>>> Is there, for example, a decent browser for Plan9 (I haven't found > >>>>> any)? > >>>>> Or a music/movie player? > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks in advance, > >>>>> Lorenzo. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> "I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechCrunch in my RSS > >>> reader, and drinking absinthe. It doesn't work. I'm going back to C, > >>> Hunter S. Thompson, and cheap whiskey." -- Ted Dziuba > >>> > >> > > > > > > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3803 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 17:07 ` Noah Evans 2009-07-10 17:27 ` Joseph Stewart @ 2009-07-10 17:30 ` hiro 1 sibling, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: hiro @ 2009-07-10 17:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Plan9 is more like a programming platform, some call it a research OS. How did you get interested in this? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 16:52 ` John Floren 2009-07-10 17:07 ` Noah Evans @ 2009-07-10 17:27 ` Ethan Grammatikidis 1 sibling, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Ethan Grammatikidis @ 2009-07-10 17:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:52:38 -0700 John Floren <slawmaster@gmail.com> wrote: > At least once a month it happens. We can't escape. We're forever > doomed to get a "Can I use Plan 9 as my desktop OS for web browsing > and watching movies and stuff?" thread every couple weeks, because > people are only willing to spend juuuust enough effort to find the > Plan 9 web page and subscribe to 9fans. I wish you people would shut up and point them at linuxemu or virtualisation ideas. :p You have to make the transition somehow. > > > John > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:30 AM, André Günther<Andre.G@gmx.de> wrote: > > there's a thing called mailing list archives. > > and you know..heh..there's this funny thing..dunno, it's called google or > > something. > > what you do is: type some words and then hit return...and wooha it searches > > like the whole web. it's magic. > > > > On Jul 10, 2009, at 6:05 PM, Lorenzo Bolla wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> I've just installed (with few difficulties, I must admit) a fresh Plan9 on > >> my Dell Inspiron laptop. > >> I played with it and I'd really like to study it and get used to it. > >> Ideally, I would like to make it my "everyday OS", to do all the nice > >> stuff you can do with a computer (a part from work and study), like browsing > >> the web, watching movies and so on... > >> Is anyone using it for such things? > >> Is there, for example, a decent browser for Plan9 (I haven't found any)? > >> Or a music/movie player? > >> > >> Thanks in advance, > >> Lorenzo. > > > > > > > > > > -- > "I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechCrunch in my RSS > reader, and drinking absinthe. It doesn't work. I'm going back to C, > Hunter S. Thompson, and cheap whiskey." -- Ted Dziuba > -- Ethan Grammatikidis Those who are slower at parsing information must necessarily be faster at problem-solving. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 16:05 [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS Lorenzo Bolla 2009-07-10 16:30 ` André Günther @ 2009-07-10 16:44 ` maht 2009-07-10 17:23 ` Andrés Domínguez ` (2 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: maht @ 2009-07-10 16:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Lorenzo Bolla wrote: > Hi all, > I've just installed (with few difficulties, I must admit) a fresh > Plan9 on my Dell Inspiron laptop. > I played with it and I'd really like to study it and get used to it. > Ideally, I would like to make it my "everyday OS", to do all the nice > stuff you can do with a computer (a part from work and study), like > browsing the web, watching movies and so on... Me too, good luck with that ! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 16:05 [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS Lorenzo Bolla 2009-07-10 16:30 ` André Günther 2009-07-10 16:44 ` maht @ 2009-07-10 17:23 ` Andrés Domínguez 2009-07-10 17:26 ` Don Bailey 2009-07-11 6:26 ` Uriel 2009-07-10 17:25 ` Ethan Grammatikidis 2009-07-10 17:28 ` Jack Johnson 4 siblings, 2 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Andrés Domínguez @ 2009-07-10 17:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs 2009/7/10 Lorenzo Bolla <lbolla@gmail.com>: > Hi all, > I've just installed (with few difficulties, I must admit) a fresh Plan9 on > my Dell Inspiron laptop. > I played with it and I'd really like to study it and get used to it. > Ideally, I would like to make it my "everyday OS", to do all the nice stuff > you can do with a computer (a part from work and study), like browsing the > web, watching movies and so on... > Is anyone using it for such things? > Is there, for example, a decent browser for Plan9 (I haven't found any)? 8c > Or a music/movie player? 8c But the cold startup is a little bit slower than wmp or ie, have to do some coding first. If you are looking for something done: Google -> "list of plan 9 applications" -> click "I'm Feeling Lucky" Probably you will be more happy with Linux, running Plan9 on virtual machine. Andrés ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 17:23 ` Andrés Domínguez @ 2009-07-10 17:26 ` Don Bailey 2009-07-11 6:26 ` Uriel 1 sibling, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Don Bailey @ 2009-07-10 17:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 8 bytes --] Noah++ [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 12 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 17:23 ` Andrés Domínguez 2009-07-10 17:26 ` Don Bailey @ 2009-07-11 6:26 ` Uriel 2009-07-11 10:03 ` Lorenzo Bolla 1 sibling, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: Uriel @ 2009-07-11 6:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > Google -> "list of plan 9 applications" -> click "I'm Feeling Lucky" The result you will get from this is most likely to be extremely outdated and incomplete. Just saying... uriel 2009/7/10 Andrés Domínguez <andresdju@gmail.com>: > 2009/7/10 Lorenzo Bolla <lbolla@gmail.com>: >> Hi all, >> I've just installed (with few difficulties, I must admit) a fresh Plan9 on >> my Dell Inspiron laptop. >> I played with it and I'd really like to study it and get used to it. >> Ideally, I would like to make it my "everyday OS", to do all the nice stuff >> you can do with a computer (a part from work and study), like browsing the >> web, watching movies and so on... >> Is anyone using it for such things? >> Is there, for example, a decent browser for Plan9 (I haven't found any)? > > 8c > >> Or a music/movie player? > > 8c > > But the cold startup is a little bit slower than wmp or ie, have to > do some coding first. > > If you are looking for something done: > > Google -> "list of plan 9 applications" -> click "I'm Feeling Lucky" > > Probably you will be more happy with Linux, running Plan9 on > virtual machine. > > Andrés > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-11 6:26 ` Uriel @ 2009-07-11 10:03 ` Lorenzo Bolla 0 siblings, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Lorenzo Bolla @ 2009-07-11 10:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1401 bytes --] Thanks all, the rudes and the polites.I'll try your suggestions. L. On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Uriel <uriel99@gmail.com> wrote: > > Google -> "list of plan 9 applications" -> click "I'm Feeling Lucky" > > The result you will get from this is most likely to be extremely > outdated and incomplete. Just saying... > > uriel > > 2009/7/10 Andrés Domínguez <andresdju@gmail.com>: > > 2009/7/10 Lorenzo Bolla <lbolla@gmail.com>: > >> Hi all, > >> I've just installed (with few difficulties, I must admit) a fresh Plan9 > on > >> my Dell Inspiron laptop. > >> I played with it and I'd really like to study it and get used to it. > >> Ideally, I would like to make it my "everyday OS", to do all the nice > stuff > >> you can do with a computer (a part from work and study), like browsing > the > >> web, watching movies and so on... > >> Is anyone using it for such things? > >> Is there, for example, a decent browser for Plan9 (I haven't found any)? > > > > 8c > > > >> Or a music/movie player? > > > > 8c > > > > But the cold startup is a little bit slower than wmp or ie, have to > > do some coding first. > > > > If you are looking for something done: > > > > Google -> "list of plan 9 applications" -> click "I'm Feeling Lucky" > > > > Probably you will be more happy with Linux, running Plan9 on > > virtual machine. > > > > Andrés > > > > > > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2086 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 16:05 [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS Lorenzo Bolla ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2009-07-10 17:23 ` Andrés Domínguez @ 2009-07-10 17:25 ` Ethan Grammatikidis 2009-07-10 17:45 ` Ethan Grammatikidis 2009-07-10 21:52 ` cinap_lenrek 2009-07-10 17:28 ` Jack Johnson 4 siblings, 2 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Ethan Grammatikidis @ 2009-07-10 17:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:05:13 +0100 Lorenzo Bolla <lbolla@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > I've just installed (with few difficulties, I must admit) a fresh Plan9 on > my Dell Inspiron laptop. > I played with it and I'd really like to study it and get used to it. > Ideally, I would like to make it my "everyday OS", to do all the nice stuff > you can do with a computer (a part from work and study), like browsing the > web, watching movies and so on... > Is anyone using it for such things? > Is there, for example, a decent browser for Plan9 (I haven't found any)? > Or a music/movie player? There is no "decent" browser for Plan 9 as such by many peoples' standards. The big problem here is that the Plan 9 community by and large really appreciates sane design, and it seems to be quite impossible to write a browser conforming to w3c standards without putting a lot of very very crazy code in it. *Howevah* there is Linuxemu. You can run Firefox under Linuxemu in Plan 9. You may be able to run mplayer or xine-whatever that way too, but some of Plan 9's display drivers may be too slow, you'd have to try it and see. Linuxemu is in rsc's contrib... 9fs sources && cd /n/sources/contrib/rsc/linuxemu ... then I guess cat README & go from there. I couldn't tell you how to install it since I've never done it. What works for me is rather the other way around. I run Linux (64bit, for a machine with 4GB of RAM), and run Plan 9 in Qemu. It works nicely, although it was a bit of hassle setting up. Some people do this & use the plumber to communicate with the plan9port plumber running on the Linux side, it all sounds a lot of fun but I haven't got that far yet. :) Have fun with it, anyhow. :) -- Ethan Grammatikidis Those who are slower at parsing information must necessarily be faster at problem-solving. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 17:25 ` Ethan Grammatikidis @ 2009-07-10 17:45 ` Ethan Grammatikidis 2009-07-10 17:50 ` john 2009-07-10 21:52 ` cinap_lenrek 1 sibling, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: Ethan Grammatikidis @ 2009-07-10 17:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:25:55 +0100 Ethan Grammatikidis <eekee57@fastmail.fm> wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:05:13 +0100 > Lorenzo Bolla <lbolla@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > I've just installed (with few difficulties, I must admit) a fresh Plan9 on > > my Dell Inspiron laptop. > > I played with it and I'd really like to study it and get used to it. > > Ideally, I would like to make it my "everyday OS", to do all the nice stuff > > you can do with a computer (a part from work and study), like browsing the > > web, watching movies and so on... > > Is anyone using it for such things? > > Is there, for example, a decent browser for Plan9 (I haven't found any)? > > Or a music/movie player? > > There is no "decent" browser for Plan 9 as such by many peoples' standards. The big problem here is that the Plan 9 community by and large really appreciates sane design, and it seems to be quite impossible to write a browser conforming to w3c standards without putting a lot of very very crazy code in it. > > *Howevah* there is Linuxemu. You can run Firefox under Linuxemu in Plan 9. You may be able to run mplayer or xine-whatever that way too, but some of Plan 9's display drivers may be too slow, you'd have to try it and see. Linuxemu is in rsc's contrib... 9fs sources && cd /n/sources/contrib/rsc/linuxemu ... then I guess cat README & go from there. I couldn't tell you how to install it since I've never done it. Apologies, the up-to-date linuxemu is in cinap's contrib: /n/sources/contrib/cinap_lenrek/linuxemu3/ and /n/sources/contrib/cinap_lenrek/linuxemu3.tgz > > What works for me is rather the other way around. I run Linux (64bit, for a machine with 4GB of RAM), and run Plan 9 in Qemu. It works nicely, although it was a bit of hassle setting up. Some people do this & use the plumber to communicate with the plan9port plumber running on the Linux side, it all sounds a lot of fun but I haven't got that far yet. :) > > Have fun with it, anyhow. :) > > -- > Ethan Grammatikidis > > Those who are slower at parsing information must > necessarily be faster at problem-solving. > -- Ethan Grammatikidis Those who are slower at parsing information must necessarily be faster at problem-solving. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 17:45 ` Ethan Grammatikidis @ 2009-07-10 17:50 ` john 0 siblings, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: john @ 2009-07-10 17:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > Apologies, the up-to-date linuxemu is in cinap's contrib: > /n/sources/contrib/cinap_lenrek/linuxemu3/ > and > /n/sources/contrib/cinap_lenrek/linuxemu3.tgz > Having just set up Linuxemu, a quick note: The distributed root filesystem is rather old; it uses the sarge distribution of debian. It's old enough, in fact, that you'll need to change /etc/apt/sources.list if you want to download any software; archive.debian.org still serves sarge, so my file looks like: deb http://archive.debian.org/debian sarge main I exchanged some emails with cinap yesterday; it seems that the reason he still uses sarge for linuxemu is that newer versions are incompatible with linuxemu as it stands, and sarge runs effectively enough. John ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 17:25 ` Ethan Grammatikidis 2009-07-10 17:45 ` Ethan Grammatikidis @ 2009-07-10 21:52 ` cinap_lenrek 2009-07-10 22:01 ` john 1 sibling, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: cinap_lenrek @ 2009-07-10 21:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 187 bytes --] had no success with mplayer yet because of lacking mmx support. got ffmpeg to compile (without mmx/sse) and play on linuxemu, but it was too slow on my 1 ghz via machine. -- cinap [-- Attachment #2: Type: message/rfc822, Size: 4544 bytes --] From: Ethan Grammatikidis <eekee57@fastmail.fm> To: 9fans@9fans.net Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:25:55 +0100 Message-ID: <20090710182555.90004598.eekee57@fastmail.fm> On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:05:13 +0100 Lorenzo Bolla <lbolla@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > I've just installed (with few difficulties, I must admit) a fresh Plan9 on > my Dell Inspiron laptop. > I played with it and I'd really like to study it and get used to it. > Ideally, I would like to make it my "everyday OS", to do all the nice stuff > you can do with a computer (a part from work and study), like browsing the > web, watching movies and so on... > Is anyone using it for such things? > Is there, for example, a decent browser for Plan9 (I haven't found any)? > Or a music/movie player? There is no "decent" browser for Plan 9 as such by many peoples' standards. The big problem here is that the Plan 9 community by and large really appreciates sane design, and it seems to be quite impossible to write a browser conforming to w3c standards without putting a lot of very very crazy code in it. *Howevah* there is Linuxemu. You can run Firefox under Linuxemu in Plan 9. You may be able to run mplayer or xine-whatever that way too, but some of Plan 9's display drivers may be too slow, you'd have to try it and see. Linuxemu is in rsc's contrib... 9fs sources && cd /n/sources/contrib/rsc/linuxemu ... then I guess cat README & go from there. I couldn't tell you how to install it since I've never done it. What works for me is rather the other way around. I run Linux (64bit, for a machine with 4GB of RAM), and run Plan 9 in Qemu. It works nicely, although it was a bit of hassle setting up. Some people do this & use the plumber to communicate with the plan9port plumber running on the Linux side, it all sounds a lot of fun but I haven't got that far yet. :) Have fun with it, anyhow. :) -- Ethan Grammatikidis Those who are slower at parsing information must necessarily be faster at problem-solving. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 21:52 ` cinap_lenrek @ 2009-07-10 22:01 ` john 2009-07-10 22:09 ` cinap_lenrek 0 siblings, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: john @ 2009-07-10 22:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > had no success with mplayer yet because of lacking mmx support. got ffmpeg to > compile (without mmx/sse) and play on linuxemu, but it was too slow on my 1 > ghz via machine. > > -- > cinap Whare are you using for an audio device on Plan 9? The AC97 driver? Or did you buy a USB audio thing? John ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 22:01 ` john @ 2009-07-10 22:09 ` cinap_lenrek 2009-07-10 22:10 ` john ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: cinap_lenrek @ 2009-07-10 22:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 67 bytes --] usb audio... havnt tried it with ac97 on my t23 yet. -- cinap [-- Attachment #2: Type: message/rfc822, Size: 2243 bytes --] From: john@csplan9.rit.edu To: 9fans@9fans.net Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:01:35 -0400 Message-ID: <f58b7ca65bc7abf5464adc66ba2ce7e1@csplan9.rit.edu> > had no success with mplayer yet because of lacking mmx support. got ffmpeg to > compile (without mmx/sse) and play on linuxemu, but it was too slow on my 1 > ghz via machine. > > -- > cinap Whare are you using for an audio device on Plan 9? The AC97 driver? Or did you buy a USB audio thing? John ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 22:09 ` cinap_lenrek @ 2009-07-10 22:10 ` john 2009-07-10 22:37 ` cinap_lenrek ` (2 more replies) 2009-07-11 10:13 ` sqweek 2009-07-13 17:09 ` Markus Sonderegger 2 siblings, 3 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: john @ 2009-07-10 22:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > usb audio... havnt tried it with ac97 on my t23 yet. > > -- > cinap Which model of USB audio? Is it something available on Amazon? I have a T22 laptop that I use for Plan 9 sometimes, and I believe that has ac97, but like you I haven't tried it. Also, I use other Plan 9 machines which could use an audio output. John ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 22:10 ` john @ 2009-07-10 22:37 ` cinap_lenrek 2009-07-10 22:48 ` Jack Johnson 2009-07-10 22:58 ` Andreas Eriksen 2 siblings, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: cinap_lenrek @ 2009-07-10 22:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 257 bytes --] EDIROL UA-1X http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=635 needs some patching in the usbaudio driver because it contains a bogus descriptor i think. as i buyed some time ago it it worked out of the box with plan9. -- cinap [-- Attachment #2: Type: message/rfc822, Size: 2266 bytes --] From: john@csplan9.rit.edu To: 9fans@9fans.net Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:10:51 -0400 Message-ID: <395380d782066c2c83da4cc11afbf845@csplan9.rit.edu> > usb audio... havnt tried it with ac97 on my t23 yet. > > -- > cinap Which model of USB audio? Is it something available on Amazon? I have a T22 laptop that I use for Plan 9 sometimes, and I believe that has ac97, but like you I haven't tried it. Also, I use other Plan 9 machines which could use an audio output. John ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 22:10 ` john 2009-07-10 22:37 ` cinap_lenrek @ 2009-07-10 22:48 ` Jack Johnson 2009-07-10 22:58 ` Andreas Eriksen 2 siblings, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Jack Johnson @ 2009-07-10 22:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:10 PM, <john@csplan9.rit.edu> wrote: > Which model of USB audio? Is it something available on Amazon? Looks like this might be the new version of the Turtle Beach Audio Advantage: http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Advantage-Micro-Sound-Card/dp/B0002ICGDY Hopefully it works as well. -Jack ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sape Mullender <sape@plan9.bell-labs.com> Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2006 at 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [9fans] More USB audio To: knapjack@gmail.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Cc: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com, pb@plan9.bell-labs.com > http://www.turtlebeach.com/site/products/audioadvantage/ We got one ath the labs. Plugged it into Plan 9. It works. It actually outputs a lot of oomph into my headset. Nice device. 44100 or 48000 Hz, 16-bit stereo. Has mute & volume control. Sape ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 22:10 ` john 2009-07-10 22:37 ` cinap_lenrek 2009-07-10 22:48 ` Jack Johnson @ 2009-07-10 22:58 ` Andreas Eriksen 2009-07-12 8:20 ` Francisco J Ballesteros 2 siblings, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: Andreas Eriksen @ 2009-07-10 22:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs There is a list of tested usb sound cards at http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Supported_PC_hardware/index.html This could be added to the list (i have it): http://www.amazon.com/SteelSeries-Siberia-USB-Soundcard-White/dp/B000WJCM9G/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1247264255&sr=8-9 When i start it with 'usb/audio' i get Warning, can't configure stereo recording, configuring mono instead Warning, can't configure record for 44100 Hz, configuring for 48000 Hz instead term% usb/audio: read /dev/usb/ep11.3/data: babble detected and volume keys on it don't work, but my headset has an analog volume control. It works well for playback of mp3s at 44100 Hz, i haven't tried using it for anything else. On Jul 11, 2009, at 12:10 AM, john@csplan9.rit.edu wrote: >> usb audio... havnt tried it with ac97 on my t23 yet. >> >> -- >> cinap > > > Which model of USB audio? Is it something available on Amazon? I > have a T22 laptop that I use for Plan 9 sometimes, and I believe that > has ac97, but like you I haven't tried it. Also, I use other Plan 9 > machines which could use an audio output. > > John > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 22:58 ` Andreas Eriksen @ 2009-07-12 8:20 ` Francisco J Ballesteros 0 siblings, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Francisco J Ballesteros @ 2009-07-12 8:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Andreas Eriksen<andreer@pvv.ntnu.no> wrote: > There is a list of tested usb sound cards at > http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Supported_PC_hardware/index.html > Beware, some of the ones working before might not work now (All I tested work, but who knows), and some that did not work might work now. I mean, a lot changed in usb and I don't know if the supported pc hw list is up to date wrt it. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 22:09 ` cinap_lenrek 2009-07-10 22:10 ` john @ 2009-07-11 10:13 ` sqweek 2009-07-11 18:08 ` Uriel 2009-07-11 20:41 ` cinap_lenrek 2009-07-13 17:09 ` Markus Sonderegger 2 siblings, 2 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: sqweek @ 2009-07-11 10:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs lies! we had ac97 working on the t23 at IWP-Bondi! -sqweek 2009/7/11 <cinap_lenrek@gmx.de>: > usb audio... havnt tried it with ac97 on my t23 yet. > > -- > cinap > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: john@csplan9.rit.edu > To: 9fans@9fans.net > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:01:35 -0400 > Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS >> had no success with mplayer yet because of lacking mmx support. got ffmpeg to >> compile (without mmx/sse) and play on linuxemu, but it was too slow on my 1 >> ghz via machine. >> >> -- >> cinap > > Whare are you using for an audio device on Plan 9? The AC97 driver? > Or did you buy a USB audio thing? > > > John > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-11 10:13 ` sqweek @ 2009-07-11 18:08 ` Uriel 2009-07-13 8:29 ` sqweek 2009-07-11 20:41 ` cinap_lenrek 1 sibling, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: Uriel @ 2009-07-11 18:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs With which ac97 driver? uriel On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 12:13 PM, sqweek<sqweek@gmail.com> wrote: > lies! we had ac97 working on the t23 at IWP-Bondi! > -sqweek > > 2009/7/11 <cinap_lenrek@gmx.de>: >> usb audio... havnt tried it with ac97 on my t23 yet. >> >> -- >> cinap >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: john@csplan9.rit.edu >> To: 9fans@9fans.net >> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:01:35 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS >>> had no success with mplayer yet because of lacking mmx support. got ffmpeg to >>> compile (without mmx/sse) and play on linuxemu, but it was too slow on my 1 >>> ghz via machine. >>> >>> -- >>> cinap >> >> Whare are you using for an audio device on Plan 9? The AC97 driver? >> Or did you buy a USB audio thing? >> >> >> John >> >> > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-11 18:08 ` Uriel @ 2009-07-13 8:29 ` sqweek 0 siblings, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: sqweek @ 2009-07-13 8:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs /n/sources/contrib/mason/ac97.tgz Worked out of the box, just had to drop it in place and recompile the kernel. -sqweek 2009/7/12 Uriel <uriel99@gmail.com>: > With which ac97 driver? > > uriel > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 12:13 PM, sqweek<sqweek@gmail.com> wrote: >> lies! we had ac97 working on the t23 at IWP-Bondi! >> -sqweek >> >> 2009/7/11 <cinap_lenrek@gmx.de>: >>> usb audio... havnt tried it with ac97 on my t23 yet. >>> >>> -- >>> cinap >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: john@csplan9.rit.edu >>> To: 9fans@9fans.net >>> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:01:35 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS >>>> had no success with mplayer yet because of lacking mmx support. got ffmpeg to >>>> compile (without mmx/sse) and play on linuxemu, but it was too slow on my 1 >>>> ghz via machine. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> cinap >>> >>> Whare are you using for an audio device on Plan 9? The AC97 driver? >>> Or did you buy a USB audio thing? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-11 10:13 ` sqweek 2009-07-11 18:08 ` Uriel @ 2009-07-11 20:41 ` cinap_lenrek 1 sibling, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: cinap_lenrek @ 2009-07-11 20:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 77 bytes --] i havnt tried the *linuxemu/ffplay* stuff with ac97 on my t23. -- cinap [-- Attachment #2: Type: message/rfc822, Size: 3845 bytes --] From: sqweek <sqweek@gmail.com> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:13:52 +0800 Message-ID: <140e7ec30907110313i78fd751cu2721f6bb290b9e8b@mail.gmail.com> lies! we had ac97 working on the t23 at IWP-Bondi! -sqweek 2009/7/11 <cinap_lenrek@gmx.de>: > usb audio... havnt tried it with ac97 on my t23 yet. > > -- > cinap > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: john@csplan9.rit.edu > To: 9fans@9fans.net > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:01:35 -0400 > Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS >> had no success with mplayer yet because of lacking mmx support. got ffmpeg to >> compile (without mmx/sse) and play on linuxemu, but it was too slow on my 1 >> ghz via machine. >> >> -- >> cinap > > Whare are you using for an audio device on Plan 9? The AC97 driver? > Or did you buy a USB audio thing? > > > John > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 22:09 ` cinap_lenrek 2009-07-10 22:10 ` john 2009-07-11 10:13 ` sqweek @ 2009-07-13 17:09 ` Markus Sonderegger 2009-07-13 11:22 ` erik quanstrom 2 siblings, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: Markus Sonderegger @ 2009-07-13 17:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans ac97 works fine for me, on 3 different machines. just to say it here. i put this driver to my contrib, but aki is the author! is just added some lines of code. but there seem to be a bug, when used with juke(7). i get ton's of these messages when i play the first song qlock: 0xf018d159: ilockdepth 1 i tried to debug it, but can't find the bug. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-13 17:09 ` Markus Sonderegger @ 2009-07-13 11:22 ` erik quanstrom 2009-07-13 11:34 ` Bela Valek 2009-07-14 7:26 ` markus 0 siblings, 2 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: erik quanstrom @ 2009-07-13 11:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > ac97 works fine for me, on 3 different machines. > just to say it here. i put this driver to my contrib, > but aki is the author! is just added some lines of code. > > but there seem to be a bug, when used with juke(7). > i get ton's of these messages when i play the first > song > > qlock: 0xf018d159: ilockdepth 1 > > i tried to debug it, but can't find the bug. one bug is in ac97write. there's a memmove into user memory with an ilock held. that's a no-no, since you could take a page fault. you can get a better handle on which qlock is causing the problem by converting the address given on the console to the qlock in question. - erik ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-13 11:22 ` erik quanstrom @ 2009-07-13 11:34 ` Bela Valek 2009-07-14 6:39 ` sqweek 2009-07-14 7:26 ` markus 1 sibling, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: Bela Valek @ 2009-07-13 11:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Hi Everybody, This AC97 driver seems to be around for awhile already. Why don't you just include it in the distribution? I suggest to fix the problem you guys found, compile the kernel with it, and add it to the default install CD image. Béla ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-13 11:34 ` Bela Valek @ 2009-07-14 6:39 ` sqweek 2009-07-14 13:01 ` erik quanstrom 0 siblings, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: sqweek @ 2009-07-14 6:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs I suspect the main inhibitor there is that (as I recall) it stomps all over the existing soundblaster code. These days AC97 is probably more desirable, but it would be nice to have them coexist. -sqweek 2009/7/13 Bela Valek <bvalek2@gmail.com>: > Hi Everybody, > > This AC97 driver seems to be around for awhile already. Why don't you > just include it in the distribution? > I suggest to fix the problem you guys found, compile the kernel with > it, and add it to the default install CD image. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-14 6:39 ` sqweek @ 2009-07-14 13:01 ` erik quanstrom 2009-07-14 15:00 ` Devon H. O'Dell 2009-07-14 16:28 ` Dan Cross 0 siblings, 2 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: erik quanstrom @ 2009-07-14 13:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Tue Jul 14 02:41:02 EDT 2009, sqweek@gmail.com wrote: > I suspect the main inhibitor there is that (as I recall) it stomps > all over the existing soundblaster code. These days AC97 is probably > more desirable, but it would be nice to have them coexist. that's going to require thinking out how ac97 can provide a strict superset of sb. as a first step, it would make sense for ac97 to bring it's own implementation of #A to the party. there are other sound models, it would be nice to design ac97's interface in such a way that it can work with other sound models. - erik ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-14 13:01 ` erik quanstrom @ 2009-07-14 15:00 ` Devon H. O'Dell 2009-07-14 16:28 ` Dan Cross 1 sibling, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Devon H. O'Dell @ 2009-07-14 15:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs 2009/7/14 erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>: > On Tue Jul 14 02:41:02 EDT 2009, sqweek@gmail.com wrote: >> I suspect the main inhibitor there is that (as I recall) it stomps >> all over the existing soundblaster code. These days AC97 is probably >> more desirable, but it would be nice to have them coexist. > > that's going to require thinking out how ac97 can provide a strict > superset of sb. as a first step, it would make sense for ac97 to > bring it's own implementation of #A to the party. > > there are other sound models, it would be nice to design ac97's > interface in such a way that it can work with other sound models. Particularly Intel HDA (which supercedes AC97 and is what all new machines are being shipped with now, essentially) and the various chipset codecs on top of that. Plenty of BSDLed code on them and plenty of documentation too. --dho > - erik > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-14 13:01 ` erik quanstrom 2009-07-14 15:00 ` Devon H. O'Dell @ 2009-07-14 16:28 ` Dan Cross 2009-07-14 16:51 ` Tim Newsham 1 sibling, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: Dan Cross @ 2009-07-14 16:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 9:01 AM, erik quanstrom<quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote: > there are other sound models, it would be nice to design ac97's > interface in such a way that it can work with other sound models. Years ago, I suggested building a generic audio layer into the kernel and plugging specific devices into that, much like how the Ethernet device drivers are structured. At the time, it wasn't seen as worthwhile as there was essentially no code sharing between the various drivers for audio devices (SB16, ESS-whatever, the bitsy). However, I still think this is worthwhile just to provide (a) a standard interface for audio devices (e.g., /dev/audioctl always accepts the same messages to set volume, input levels, etc), and (b) to have a single kernel support more than one type of audio device (imagine a network where you actually have an SB16 plus a bunch of AC97 devices and some of these HCI things that Devon mentioned-one 9pc should be able to support them all). - Dan C. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-14 16:28 ` Dan Cross @ 2009-07-14 16:51 ` Tim Newsham 2009-07-14 17:29 ` Devon H. O'Dell 0 siblings, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: Tim Newsham @ 2009-07-14 16:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > However, I still think this is worthwhile just to provide (a) a > standard interface for audio devices (e.g., /dev/audioctl always > accepts the same messages to set volume, input levels, etc), and (b) > to have a single kernel support more than one type of audio device > (imagine a network where you actually have an SB16 plus a bunch of > AC97 devices and some of these HCI things that Devon mentioned-one 9pc > should be able to support them all). I was looking at audio interfaces a little lately and I noticed that inferno's audio device uses different conventions and seems to be more complete. It might be worthwhile to shoot for an interface like that. > - Dan C. Tim Newsham http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-14 16:51 ` Tim Newsham @ 2009-07-14 17:29 ` Devon H. O'Dell 0 siblings, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Devon H. O'Dell @ 2009-07-14 17:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs 2009/7/14 Tim Newsham <newsham@lava.net>: >> However, I still think this is worthwhile just to provide (a) a >> standard interface for audio devices (e.g., /dev/audioctl always >> accepts the same messages to set volume, input levels, etc), and (b) >> to have a single kernel support more than one type of audio device >> (imagine a network where you actually have an SB16 plus a bunch of >> AC97 devices and some of these HCI things that Devon mentioned-one 9pc >> should be able to support them all). > > I was looking at audio interfaces a little lately and > I noticed that inferno's audio device uses different > conventions and seems to be more complete. It might > be worthwhile to shoot for an interface like that. Several years ago, Kris and I were working on a mixerfs. Neither of us were terribly familiar with digital audio at the time, and it never ended up working entirely properly (read: multiple channels got choppy), but if anybody is interested in the code, I still have it. --dho >> - Dan C. > > Tim Newsham > http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/ > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-13 11:22 ` erik quanstrom 2009-07-13 11:34 ` Bela Valek @ 2009-07-14 7:26 ` markus 1 sibling, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: markus @ 2009-07-14 7:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > one bug is in ac97write. there's a memmove into > user memory with an ilock held. that's a no-no, > since you could take a page fault. > > you can get a better handle on which > qlock is causing the problem by converting > the address given on the console to the > qlock in question. > > - erik > > hi, thanks, i'll look at it in the next few days. i'm too busy now. i'll try to let it coexist with the soundblaster code. markus ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS 2009-07-10 16:05 [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS Lorenzo Bolla ` (3 preceding siblings ...) 2009-07-10 17:25 ` Ethan Grammatikidis @ 2009-07-10 17:28 ` Jack Johnson 4 siblings, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Jack Johnson @ 2009-07-10 17:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Lorenzo Bolla<lbolla@gmail.com> wrote: > Is anyone using it for such things? Some of us either do different things day-to-day or have found workarounds or alternatives to the way people usually enjoy the Internet and their attached computers. Without (or until) a change of mindset, it's likely that the easiest way to keep one foot on land and the other in the pool is to run Plan 9 in a virtual machine or to run plan9port on top of your regular OS. Best of luck, -Jack ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
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