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From: John Barham <jbarham@gmail.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] threads vs forks
Date: Tue,  3 Mar 2009 18:47:09 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4f34febc0903031847v17da1f5rad1d9e9ad71bc7fd@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5978d69bfd72141dfdf2afb79ba4e7da@quanstro.net>

On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 4:54 PM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
>> I should have qualified. I mean *massive* parallelization when applied
>> to "average" use cases. I don't think it's totally unusable (I
>> complain about synchronous I/O on my phone every day), but it's being
>> pushed as a panacea, and that is what I think is wrong. Don Knuth
>> holds this opinion, but I think he's mostly alone on that,
>> unfortunately.
>
> it's interesting that parallel wasn't cool when chips were getting
> noticably faster rapidly.  perhaps the focus on parallelization
> is a sign there aren't any other ideas.

That seems to be what Knuth thinks.  Excerpt from a 2008 interview w/ InformIT:

"InformIT: Vendors of multicore processors have expressed frustration
at the difficulty of moving developers to this model. As a former
professor, what thoughts do you have on this transition and how to
make it happen? Is it a question of proper tools, such as better
native support for concurrency in languages, or of execution
frameworks? Or are there other solutions?

Knuth: I don’t want to duck your question entirely. I might as well
flame a bit about my personal unhappiness with the current trend
toward multicore architecture. To me, it looks more or less like the
hardware designers have run out of ideas, and that they’re trying to
pass the blame for the future demise of Moore’s Law to the software
writers by giving us machines that work faster only on a few key
benchmarks! I won’t be surprised at all if the whole multithreading
idea turns out to be a flop, worse than the "Itanium" approach that
was supposed to be so terrific—until it turned out that the wished-for
compilers were basically impossible to write."

Full interview is at http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1193856.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-03-04  2:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-03 11:52 hugo rivera
2009-03-03 15:19 ` David Leimbach
2009-03-03 15:32   ` Uriel
2009-03-03 16:15     ` hugo rivera
2009-03-03 15:33   ` hugo rivera
2009-03-03 18:11   ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-03-03 18:38     ` Bakul Shah
2009-03-06 18:47       ` Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-03-06 20:38         ` David Leimbach
2009-03-07  8:00           ` Bakul Shah
2009-03-07  0:21         ` Bakul Shah
2009-03-07  2:20           ` Brian L. Stuart
2009-03-03 23:08     ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-03 23:15       ` Uriel
2009-03-03 23:23         ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-03 23:54           ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-03-04  0:33             ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-04  0:54               ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-04  1:54                 ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-04  3:18                   ` James Tomaschke
2009-03-04  3:30                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-04  4:44                       ` James Tomaschke
2009-03-04  5:05                         ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-04  5:50                           ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-04  6:08                             ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-03-04 16:52                             ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-04 17:14                               ` ron minnich
2009-03-04 17:27                                 ` William Josephson
2009-03-04 18:15                                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-05  3:32                                 ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-05  3:39                                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-05  3:55                                   ` William K. Josephson
2009-03-05  4:00                                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-05  4:16                                       ` William K. Josephson
2009-03-07  3:01                                         ` William Josephson
2009-03-07  3:31                                           ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-07  6:00                                             ` William Josephson
2009-03-07 13:58                                               ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-07 14:37                                                 ` William Josephson
2009-03-07 15:05                                                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-07 15:28                                                     ` William K. Josephson
2009-03-07  5:00                                           ` lucio
2009-03-07  5:08                                             ` William Josephson
2009-03-07  5:19                                               ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-07  5:45                                                 ` [9fans] Flash William K. Josephson
2009-03-07 14:42                                                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-07 14:56                                                     ` William Josephson
2009-03-07 15:39                                                     ` Russ Cox
2009-03-07 16:34                                                       ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-07  5:24                                               ` [9fans] threads vs forks lucio
2009-03-04  5:19                   ` David Leimbach
2009-03-04  2:47                 ` John Barham [this message]
2009-03-04  5:24                 ` blstuart
2009-03-04  5:37                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-04 16:29                   ` Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-03-04 16:56                   ` john
2009-03-06  9:39             ` maht
2009-03-04  5:07     ` David Leimbach
2009-03-04  5:35     ` John Barham
2009-03-03 16:00 ` ron minnich
2009-03-03 16:28   ` hugo rivera
2009-03-03 17:31     ` ron minnich
2009-03-03 16:47 ` John Barham
2009-03-04  9:37   ` Vincent Schut
2009-03-04  9:58     ` hugo rivera
2009-03-04 10:30       ` Vincent Schut
2009-03-04 10:45         ` hugo rivera
2009-03-04 11:15           ` Vincent Schut
2009-03-04 11:33             ` hugo rivera
2009-03-04 13:23               ` Uriel
2009-03-04 14:57         ` ron minnich

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