From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 22:22:52 -0700 From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [9fans] *poof* Topicbox-Message-UUID: 58abcc5a-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Yes, the web page is gone. I have not been able to figure out why. Maybe I'll figure it out tomorrow. Russ From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <3b92a185db0ced8994dc9951df76cfda@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 07:35:00 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 588d1e22-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Yes, the web page is gone. > I have not been able to figure out why. > Maybe I'll figure it out tomorrow. If you don't know _which_ web page, I presume you're not worthy?! ++L From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 23:14:26 -0700 From: geoff@collyer.net In-Reply-To: <3b92a185db0ced8994dc9951df76cfda@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 589475be-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 There seem to be a few other problems. Mail to plan9.bell-labs.com isn't being accepted. /n/sources/plan9/dist/replica/plan9.* are truncated, so pull isn't working right. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <283f5df10606010011r50d61c12p68b6eefb0b25a49d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 03:11:43 -0400 From: "LiteStar numnums" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7578_27007888.1149145903267" References: Topicbox-Message-UUID: 58985436-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_7578_27007888.1149145903267 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It's down becuase it's being re-written in H, a new language that doesn't really do HTML, nor AcmeWiki, nor HTTP, but can be used to schlep some drek together that looks like the above three. We're not sure if it will be useful, but it is pretty damn *cool*. We've extended HTML & HTTP into one tool that looks the same way and offers no benefits, other than the fact that it is pretty damn cool.... Sorry for the noise, but I couldn't help it given the new K junk On 6/1/06, Russ Cox wrote: > > Yes, the web page is gone. > I have not been able to figure out why. > Maybe I'll figure it out tomorrow. > > Russ > -- What man ignores by day he shall dread by night ------=_Part_7578_27007888.1149145903267 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It's down becuase it's being re-written in H, a new language that doesn't really do HTML, nor AcmeWiki, nor
HTTP, but can be used to schlep some drek together that looks like the above three. We're not sure if it
will be useful, but it is pretty damn *cool*. We've extended HTML & HTTP into one tool that looks the
same way and offers no benefits, other than the fact that it is pretty damn cool....

Sorry for the noise, but I couldn't help it given the new K junk

On 6/1/06, Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> wrote:
Yes, the web page is gone.
I have not been able to figure out why.
Maybe I'll figure it out tomorrow.

Russ



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What man ignores by day he shall dread by night ------=_Part_7578_27007888.1149145903267-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <14ec7b180606010550u35c81bd8nfdf04566f73242ef@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 06:50:58 -0600 From: "andrey mirtchovski" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* In-Reply-To: <283f5df10606010011r50d61c12p68b6eefb0b25a49d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <283f5df10606010011r50d61c12p68b6eefb0b25a49d@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 58bd013c-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 now is probably as good a time as ever to announce that the Secret Plan 9 Secret Society Society held its bi-monthly meeting at the USENIX Conference. Jim was incapacitated and the whole OS was recompiled with gcc. the announcement of the new 9P extensions will happen shortly, probably today. here is a picture of the event: http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/secret.jpg from left to right: lucho, ron, jim mckie, charles forsyth, eric grosse. noticably missing: audrey andrey ps: not really From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <14ec7b180606010552n72ad9a42rb4ec831db9c574f8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 06:52:52 -0600 From: "andrey mirtchovski" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* In-Reply-To: <14ec7b180606010550u35c81bd8nfdf04566f73242ef@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <283f5df10606010011r50d61c12p68b6eefb0b25a49d@mail.gmail.com> <14ec7b180606010550u35c81bd8nfdf04566f73242ef@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 58b8a722-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 eric van hensbergen replaces eric grosse and i'm going to have some coffee before i type any more mail :) sorry eric From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <447EE3EE.2000602@lanl.gov> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 06:56:14 -0600 From: Ronald G Minnich User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7-1.1.fc4 (X11/20050929) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* References: <283f5df10606010011r50d61c12p68b6eefb0b25a49d@mail.gmail.com> <14ec7b180606010550u35c81bd8nfdf04566f73242ef@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <14ec7b180606010550u35c81bd8nfdf04566f73242ef@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 58c76280-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 andrey mirtchovski wrote: > now is probably as good a time as ever to announce that the Secret > Plan 9 Secret Society Society held its bi-monthly meeting at the > USENIX Conference. Jim was incapacitated and the whole OS was > recompiled with gcc. the announcement of the new 9P extensions will > happen shortly, probably today. > > here is a picture of the event: > > http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/secret.jpg > > from left to right: lucho, ron, jim mckie, charles forsyth, eric grosse. The guy hidden behind Lucho is Matt Leininger of Sandia Labs/livermore, who just finished building thunderbird, the largest linux/infiniband cluster anywhere, 4096 nodes/8192 CPUs. He is an honorary member of the SP9SSS, because the stuff he does is so damn cool, and he likes Plan 9. ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <89246a384ad5419af371bd18f33a692d@9netics.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 08:54:46 -0700 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: <447EE3EE.2000602@lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 58cbfcdc-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > SP9SSS how is it pronounced? is it like Tony Soprano saying "it's bananas"? anyone staying around Boston until next week? From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <92945e04135070cc2afbee99306cea2c@swtch.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* From: "Russ Cox" Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 08:08:42 -0800 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 58e2c110-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Everything should be working again. I think Lucent was having external network connectivity problems. Russ From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <447F39E6.4040109@lanl.gov> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 13:03:02 -0600 From: Ronald G Minnich User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7-1.1.fc4 (X11/20050929) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* References: <89246a384ad5419af371bd18f33a692d@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: <89246a384ad5419af371bd18f33a692d@9netics.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 58e8f080-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Skip Tavakkolian wrote: >>SP9SSS > > > how is it pronounced? is it like Tony Soprano saying "it's bananas"? > > anyone staying around Boston until next week? > I'm here till sunday morning. There is no plan 9 bof as of yet. I'd like to see if somebody wants to put inferno on OLPC. But I lost track of forsyth, who could do it in maybe 15 mins or so. Darn! ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <001001c685ba$61b1c790$de3c6a83@Fuji> From: "Jim McKie" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <89246a384ad5419af371bd18f33a692d@9netics.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:31:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 58ed829e-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 who said it was boston? we'll have to kill him. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Tavakkolian" <9nut@9netics.com> To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* >> SP9SSS > > how is it pronounced? is it like Tony Soprano saying "it's bananas"? > > anyone staying around Boston until next week? > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 22:34:20 +0200 From: Christoph Lohmann <20h@r-36.net> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* Message-Id: <20060601223420.5e83f7e7.20h@r-36.net> In-Reply-To: <14ec7b180606010550u35c81bd8nfdf04566f73242ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <283f5df10606010011r50d61c12p68b6eefb0b25a49d@mail.gmail.com> <14ec7b180606010550u35c81bd8nfdf04566f73242ef@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 58f155a4-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Good evening. Am Thu, 1 Jun 2006 06:50:58 -0600 schrieb "andrey mirtchovski" : > now is probably as good a time as ever to announce that the Secret > Plan 9 Secret Society Society held its bi-monthly meeting at the > USENIX Conference. Jim was incapacitated and the whole OS was > recompiled with gcc. the announcement of the new 9P extensions will > happen shortly, probably today. Greetings from the Dissident Plan 9 IRC Kids (DP9IK). We already implemented XML-RPC as native interface to the Plan 9 kernel and only use a 9P-to-XML-RPC XML server (XS), so the old fossils can still use their abandoned style of programming. All of this runs inside of a RubyVM, that runs on the bare hardware. 9P is so Web 0.9 ... Sincerely, Christoph From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <8ccc8ba40606011343w64033d00l903f2e631a67262@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 22:43:40 +0200 From: "Francisco J Ballesteros" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* In-Reply-To: <20060601223420.5e83f7e7.20h@r-36.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <283f5df10606010011r50d61c12p68b6eefb0b25a49d@mail.gmail.com> <14ec7b180606010550u35c81bd8nfdf04566f73242ef@mail.gmail.com> <20060601223420.5e83f7e7.20h@r-36.net> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 58f59998-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Funny that your 9P-to-XML-RPC XML server is named "X-S". Just mere coincidence? ;-) On 6/1/06, Christoph Lohmann <20h@r-36.net> wrote: > Good evening. > > Am Thu, 1 Jun 2006 06:50:58 -0600 schrieb "andrey mirtchovski" > : > > > now is probably as good a time as ever to announce that the Secret > > Plan 9 Secret Society Society held its bi-monthly meeting at the > > USENIX Conference. Jim was incapacitated and the whole OS was > > recompiled with gcc. the announcement of the new 9P extensions will > > happen shortly, probably today. > > Greetings from the Dissident Plan 9 IRC Kids (DP9IK). > > We already implemented XML-RPC as native interface to the Plan 9 kernel > and only use a 9P-to-XML-RPC XML server (XS), so the old fossils can > still use their abandoned style of programming. All of this runs inside > of a RubyVM, that runs on the bare hardware. > > 9P is so Web 0.9 ... > > Sincerely, > > Christoph > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 22:47:17 +0200 From: Christoph Lohmann <20h@r-36.net> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* Message-Id: <20060601224717.d80a0e00.20h@r-36.net> In-Reply-To: <8ccc8ba40606011343w64033d00l903f2e631a67262@mail.gmail.com> References: <283f5df10606010011r50d61c12p68b6eefb0b25a49d@mail.gmail.com> <14ec7b180606010550u35c81bd8nfdf04566f73242ef@mail.gmail.com> <20060601223420.5e83f7e7.20h@r-36.net> <8ccc8ba40606011343w64033d00l903f2e631a67262@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 58f9c950-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Good evening. Am Thu, 1 Jun 2006 22:43:40 +0200 schrieb "Francisco J Ballesteros" : > Funny that your 9P-to-XML-RPC XML server is named "X-S". > Just mere coincidence? ;-) Just mere coincidence. Sincerely, Christoph From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060601223420.5e83f7e7.20h@r-36.net> References: <283f5df10606010011r50d61c12p68b6eefb0b25a49d@mail.gmail.com> <14ec7b180606010550u35c81bd8nfdf04566f73242ef@mail.gmail.com> <20060601223420.5e83f7e7.20h@r-36.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6124A3AE-2073-44A8-A054-77F2D9E8D965@lanl.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Latchesar Ionkov Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 18:28:36 -0400 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 58fdcc6c-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 IRC kids & coding??? You sure live in a parallel universe, there are no such phenomena in the one I live in :) Lucho On Jun 1, 2006, at 4:34 PM, Christoph Lohmann wrote: > Good evening. > > Am Thu, 1 Jun 2006 06:50:58 -0600 schrieb "andrey mirtchovski" > : > >> now is probably as good a time as ever to announce that the Secret >> Plan 9 Secret Society Society held its bi-monthly meeting at the >> USENIX Conference. Jim was incapacitated and the whole OS was >> recompiled with gcc. the announcement of the new 9P extensions will >> happen shortly, probably today. > > Greetings from the Dissident Plan 9 IRC Kids (DP9IK). > > We already implemented XML-RPC as native interface to the Plan 9 > kernel > and only use a 9P-to-XML-RPC XML server (XS), so the old fossils can > still use their abandoned style of programming. All of this runs > inside > of a RubyVM, that runs on the bare hardware. > > 9P is so Web 0.9 ... > > Sincerely, > > Christoph From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:40:36 +0200 From: Christoph Lohmann <20h@r-36.net> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* Message-Id: <20060602004036.7ef6c733.20h@r-36.net> In-Reply-To: <6124A3AE-2073-44A8-A054-77F2D9E8D965@lanl.gov> References: <283f5df10606010011r50d61c12p68b6eefb0b25a49d@mail.gmail.com> <14ec7b180606010550u35c81bd8nfdf04566f73242ef@mail.gmail.com> <20060601223420.5e83f7e7.20h@r-36.net> <6124A3AE-2073-44A8-A054-77F2D9E8D965@lanl.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 5902f2dc-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Good evening. Am Thu, 1 Jun 2006 18:28:36 -0400 schrieb Latchesar Ionkov : > IRC kids & coding??? You sure live in a parallel universe, there are > no such phenomena in the one I live in :) > > Lucho No need to flame anymore. You lost. Sincerely, Christoph From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <3e1162e60606011724k7d0e9e25gd3ba2c6de55f8d07@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 17:24:07 -0700 From: "David Leimbach" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* In-Reply-To: <20060602004036.7ef6c733.20h@r-36.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <283f5df10606010011r50d61c12p68b6eefb0b25a49d@mail.gmail.com> <14ec7b180606010550u35c81bd8nfdf04566f73242ef@mail.gmail.com> <20060601223420.5e83f7e7.20h@r-36.net> <6124A3AE-2073-44A8-A054-77F2D9E8D965@lanl.gov> <20060602004036.7ef6c733.20h@r-36.net> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 59082432-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 6/1/06, Christoph Lohmann <20h@r-36.net> wrote: > Good evening. > > Am Thu, 1 Jun 2006 18:28:36 -0400 schrieb Latchesar Ionkov > : > > > IRC kids & coding??? You sure live in a parallel universe, there are > > no such phenomena in the one I live in :) > > > > Lucho > > No need to flame anymore. You lost. > Since we're being silly, I was thinking of starting a commercial offshoot of Plan 9 called: "Leimy's Software Distribution" or "LSD". My phone number will be 1-800-Im-plan9 (* awaits the lawyers... *) From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <3e1162e60606011724k7d0e9e25gd3ba2c6de55f8d07@mail.gmail.com> References: <283f5df10606010011r50d61c12p68b6eefb0b25a49d@mail.gmail.com> <14ec7b180606010550u35c81bd8nfdf04566f73242ef@mail.gmail.com> <20060601223420.5e83f7e7.20h@r-36.net> <6124A3AE-2073-44A8-A054-77F2D9E8D965@lanl.gov> <20060602004036.7ef6c733.20h@r-36.net> <3e1162e60606011724k7d0e9e25gd3ba2c6de55f8d07@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3C575F55-549F-427C-AAD2-350153869BE3@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:14:55 +0900 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] 9pcf panic Topicbox-Message-UUID: 59128512-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Hello, The latest 9pcf (Apr 16 21:53) on /n/sources/plan9/386 makes panic: exception/interrupt 14 I confirmed on three PCs Kenji Arisawa From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <3C575F55-549F-427C-AAD2-350153869BE3@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp> References: <283f5df10606010011r50d61c12p68b6eefb0b25a49d@mail.gmail.com> <14ec7b180606010550u35c81bd8nfdf04566f73242ef@mail.gmail.com> <20060601223420.5e83f7e7.20h@r-36.net> <6124A3AE-2073-44A8-A054-77F2D9E8D965@lanl.gov> <20060602004036.7ef6c733.20h@r-36.net> <3e1162e60606011724k7d0e9e25gd3ba2c6de55f8d07@mail.gmail.com> <3C575F55-549F-427C-AAD2-350153869BE3@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <03E6C893-E15D-43A7-9A7A-AF8A0D9892B7@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: [9fans] 9pcf panic Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:47:34 +0900 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 59a80060-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Hello, I wrote: > The latest 9pcf (Apr 16 21:53) on > /n/sources/plan9/386 > makes panic: exception/interrupt 14 I have received a private mail from geoff@collyer.net: > Hi. That sounds like a 9load problem. If you haven't updated your > kernel for a while, you may need to update your 9load too. New > kernels load at virtual 0xf000000, not 0x8000000. The new 9load can > load old and new kernels, but the old 9load can only load old kernels. which have resolved my problem. Thanks Geoff. Kenji Arisawa From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <5ce8487dc6f248eb0a494942a89bc125@cat-v.org> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:07:16 +0200 From: uriel@cat-v.org In-Reply-To: <92945e04135070cc2afbee99306cea2c@swtch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 5925609c-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 http://plan9.bell-labs.com/ is down again, sources works. uriel > Everything should be working again. I think Lucent was > having external network connectivity problems. > > Russ From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <0f337a2a58fd86b6354f716ad977317d@cat-v.org> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:31:03 +0200 From: uriel@cat-v.org In-Reply-To: <5ce8487dc6f248eb0a494942a89bc125@cat-v.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 59a0ab26-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Sorry, this was not meant for the list. uriel > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/ is down again, sources works. > > uriel > >> Everything should be working again. I think Lucent was >> having external network connectivity problems. >> >> Russ From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <000001c68658$5faa2cf0$de3c6a83@Fuji> From: "Jim McKie" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <5ce8487dc6f248eb0a494942a89bc125@cat-v.org> Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:55:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 59af013a-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 The machine which is plan9.bell-labs.com is rebooting continuously. There's not much can be done as there is no one there to figure out what's wrong or do anything about it (it has been having intermittent wedges for a while and we've been trying to track that down but this is something different). Must go to a talk and then lunch with someone from Google. --jim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 6:07 AM Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/ is down again, sources works. > > uriel > >> Everything should be working again. I think Lucent was >> having external network connectivity problems. >> >> Russ > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:38:33 +0300 From: "user local" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* In-Reply-To: <000001c68658$5faa2cf0$de3c6a83@Fuji> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9838_7744076.1149262713996" References: <5ce8487dc6f248eb0a494942a89bc125@cat-v.org> <000001c68658$5faa2cf0$de3c6a83@Fuji> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 59b505da-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_9838_7744076.1149262713996 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline 2006/6/2, Jim McKie : > > The machine which is plan9.bell-labs.com is rebooting > continuously. Please tell us more: manufacture, model, # serial Costs... :-) ... just I've become a freshfan! OK, I resign. 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2006/6/2, Jim McKie <jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com>:
The machine which is plan9.bell-labs.com is rebooting
continuously.

Please tell us more: manufacture, model, # serial
Costs...

:-)

... just I've become a freshfan! OK, I resign.
(Did that box stop rebooting?)


------=_Part_9838_7744076.1149262713996-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:25:46 +0200 From: Christoph Lohmann <20h@r-36.net> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* Message-Id: <20060602222546.91d80400.20h@r-36.net> In-Reply-To: <000001c68658$5faa2cf0$de3c6a83@Fuji> References: <5ce8487dc6f248eb0a494942a89bc125@cat-v.org> <000001c68658$5faa2cf0$de3c6a83@Fuji> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 59e65c02-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Good evening. Am Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:55:44 -0400 schrieb "Jim McKie" : > The machine which is plan9.bell-labs.com is rebooting > continuously. There's not much can be done as there is no > one there to figure out what's wrong or do anything about > it (it has been having intermittent wedges for a while and > we've been trying to track that down but this is something > different). I had the same problem with ddr.9grid.de. It ran out of memory short after cron was started. For now cron is turned off there, but that is no real solution. Sincerely, Christoph From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <8ccc8ba40606021434w40f810fei3c94ab30dbc438fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 23:34:22 +0200 From: "Francisco J Ballesteros" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* In-Reply-To: <20060602222546.91d80400.20h@r-36.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <5ce8487dc6f248eb0a494942a89bc125@cat-v.org> <000001c68658$5faa2cf0$de3c6a83@Fuji> <20060602222546.91d80400.20h@r-36.net> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 59fc8540-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Leaks? On 6/2/06, Christoph Lohmann <20h@r-36.net> wrote: > Good evening. > > Am Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:55:44 -0400 schrieb "Jim McKie" > : > > > The machine which is plan9.bell-labs.com is rebooting > > continuously. There's not much can be done as there is no > > one there to figure out what's wrong or do anything about > > it (it has been having intermittent wedges for a while and > > we've been trying to track that down but this is something > > different). > > I had the same problem with ddr.9grid.de. It ran out of memory short > after cron was started. For now cron is turned off there, but that is > no real solution. > > Sincerely, > > Christoph > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:05:16 -0600 From: "Russ Cox" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* In-Reply-To: <20060602222546.91d80400.20h@r-36.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <5ce8487dc6f248eb0a494942a89bc125@cat-v.org> <000001c68658$5faa2cf0$de3c6a83@Fuji> <20060602222546.91d80400.20h@r-36.net> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 5a0736c0-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > > The machine which is plan9.bell-labs.com is rebooting > > continuously. There's not much can be done as there is no > > one there to figure out what's wrong or do anything about > > it (it has been having intermittent wedges for a while and > > we've been trying to track that down but this is something > > different). > > I had the same problem with ddr.9grid.de. It ran out of memory short > after cron was started. For now cron is turned off there, but that is > no real solution. I doubt that your problem is the same as ours. In ours, the machine was rebooting every five minutes because I wrote a shell script that, if the right error condition happened, would reboot the machine every five minutes using the HTTP interface to the UPS. And the error condition finally happened. Oops. Russ From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <2f1b9639cec7e8fd4225874b7bd81b5d@quintile.net> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 12:18:50 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* In-Reply-To: <20060602222546.91d80400.20h@r-36.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 5a30dd54-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > I had the same problem with ddr.9grid.de. It ran out of memory short > after cron was started. For now cron is turned off there, but that is > no real solution. I too had problems with cron, It seemed that timesync can set the current time back a long way (days) in some circumstances and when it discovers its error and corrects the system clock cron goes nuts trying to run all the jobs that have been missed. This only happened once a month, and somtimes at system boot so it was difficult to debug. I looked at timesync but it looked correct to me. I submitted a patch to cron which should have prevented the madness (only 24 hours of catchup performed at most), and though it helped, it didn't seem to cover all cases. I have now I delayed the start of cron until timesync has (hopefully) stabalised the system clock, which seems to solved the problem. felix% grep cron /rc/bin/cpurc { sleep 600; auth/cron >> /sys/log/cron } & not really a solution, more of a workaround. -Steve From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <000801c6871a$b59a8520$de3c6a83@Fuji> From: "Jim McKie" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <5ce8487dc6f248eb0a494942a89bc125@cat-v.org><000001c68658$5faa2cf0$de3c6a83@Fuji><20060602222546.91d80400.20h@r-36.net> <8ccc8ba40606021434w40f810fei3c94ab30dbc438fa@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 10:33:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 5a359592-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 only of neurons ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco J Ballesteros" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* > Leaks? > > On 6/2/06, Christoph Lohmann <20h@r-36.net> wrote: >> Good evening. >> >> Am Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:55:44 -0400 schrieb "Jim McKie" >> : >> >> > The machine which is plan9.bell-labs.com is rebooting >> > continuously. There's not much can be done as there is no >> > one there to figure out what's wrong or do anything about >> > it (it has been having intermittent wedges for a while and >> > we've been trying to track that down but this is something >> > different). >> >> I had the same problem with ddr.9grid.de. It ran out of memory short >> after cron was started. For now cron is turned off there, but that is >> no real solution. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Christoph >> >> > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <5944fd2a7e560645fb92dd4bf011de5c@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 15:46:09 -0700 From: geoff@collyer.net In-Reply-To: <2f1b9639cec7e8fd4225874b7bd81b5d@quintile.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 5a3f7184-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 The code to prevent madness in cron was using the wrong units until recently: the time in question was in minutes but the threshold was in seconds. I fixed it while improving cron's precision and accuracy; it looks like the changes arrived on sources on May 12th. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <4f420d5cb49775b7dd09057955704eed@quintile.net> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:04:06 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] *poof* In-Reply-To: <5944fd2a7e560645fb92dd4bf011de5c@collyer.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 5aaa3910-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > The code to prevent madness in cron was using the wrong units until > recently: the time in question was in minutes but the threshold was in > seconds. I fixed it while improving cron's precision and accuracy; > it looks like the changes arrived on sources on May 12th. Blush. Oh well, at leat its fixed properly now. -Steve From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:58:31 +0200 To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Inferno on OLPC? (was Re: [9fans] *poof*) From: csant Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=utf-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <89246a384ad5419af371bd18f33a692d@9netics.com> <447F39E6.4040109@lanl.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <447F39E6.4040109@lanl.gov> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) Topicbox-Message-UUID: 6ac0c33c-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 21:03:02 +0200, Ronald G Minnich wrote: > I'd like to see if somebody wants to put inferno on OLPC. But I lost > track of forsyth, who could do it in maybe 15 mins or so. Darn! Honestly, has this ever been proposed? Or even tried? Wouldn't Plan 9 or Inferno be an ideal solution to the limited resources available? /c From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <7bceda9ed2ac26ce1d80267c241955f7@vitanuova.com> From: C H Forsyth Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:05:12 +0100 To: csant@csant.info, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Inferno on OLPC? (was Re: [9fans] *poof*) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-gpafftekxducuxddjlnjuwivhg" Cc: Topicbox-Message-UUID: 6ad38a26-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-gpafftekxducuxddjlnjuwivhg Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i went to the session at Usenix. i think the project is interesting. it is on my list. --upas-gpafftekxducuxddjlnjuwivhg Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by doppio; Wed Jun 14 22:58:07 BST 2006 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A403EC7AF0 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:59:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0B36163CF9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13666-01-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from csant.info (csant.info [69.36.171.12]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0580C63CAB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fiore.malebolge (csant.info [69.36.171.12]) (authenticated) by csant.info (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k5ELwYF01591 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:58:35 -0600 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:58:31 +0200 To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Inferno on OLPC? (was Re: [9fans] *poof*) From: csant Organization: csant.info Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=utf-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <89246a384ad5419af371bd18f33a692d@9netics.com> <447F39E6.4040109@lanl.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <447F39E6.4040109@lanl.gov> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: csant , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=vitanuova.com@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=vitanuova.com@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 21:03:02 +0200, Ronald G Minnich wrote: > I'd like to see if somebody wants to put inferno on OLPC. But I lost > track of forsyth, who could do it in maybe 15 mins or so. Darn! Honestly, has this ever been proposed? Or even tried? Wouldn't Plan 9 or Inferno be an ideal solution to the limited resources available? /c --upas-gpafftekxducuxddjlnjuwivhg-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <44917798.7010308@lanl.gov> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:07:04 -0600 From: Ronald G Minnich User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7-1.1.fc4 (X11/20050929) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csant , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: Inferno on OLPC? (was Re: [9fans] *poof*) References: <89246a384ad5419af371bd18f33a692d@9netics.com> <447F39E6.4040109@lanl.gov> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Topicbox-Message-UUID: 6aea8f1e-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 csant wrote: > On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 21:03:02 +0200, Ronald G Minnich > wrote: > >> I'd like to see if somebody wants to put inferno on OLPC. But I lost >> track of forsyth, who could do it in maybe 15 mins or so. Darn! > > > Honestly, has this ever been proposed? Or even tried? Wouldn't Plan 9 > or Inferno be an ideal solution to the limited resources available? > /c I have proposed it. There's just a ton of apps that people like that you don't get with inferno or plan 9, the big one being a word-like document program. That said, the size and amount of eye candy for OLPC is going to be a heavy load for that machine. The other issue is that, evidently, you can't build inferno under inferno. ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <7a33156a1f7ff4688152051f59aecefc@quanstro.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:35:40 -0500 From: quanstro@quanstro.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Inferno on OLPC? (was Re: [9fans] *poof*) In-Reply-To: <44917798.7010308@lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 6ba1fee2-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 not unless you rewrite ?c in limbo. - erik On Thu Jun 15 10:09:36 CDT 2006, rminnich@lanl.gov wrote: > > The other issue is that, evidently, you can't build inferno under inferno. > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <2b977395580f363d7a1fadde4dc3c26f@vitanuova.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:08:31 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Inferno on OLPC? (was Re: [9fans] *poof*) In-Reply-To: <7a33156a1f7ff4688152051f59aecefc@quanstro.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 6ba670a8-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > The other issue is that, evidently, you can't build inferno under inferno. are there sufficient resources on the OLPC to build (say) Linux inside Linux? From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:30:02 -0500 From: "Eric Van Hensbergen" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: Inferno on OLPC? (was Re: [9fans] *poof*) In-Reply-To: <2b977395580f363d7a1fadde4dc3c26f@vitanuova.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7a33156a1f7ff4688152051f59aecefc@quanstro.net> <2b977395580f363d7a1fadde4dc3c26f@vitanuova.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 6bc6c060-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 6/16/06, rog@vitanuova.com wrote: > > The other issue is that, evidently, you can't build inferno under inferno. > > are there sufficient resources on the OLPC to build (say) Linux inside Linux? > The right question is, at 10-15W per child, how long will it take a child with a crank to power a full Linux build.... Of course, no local disk may also be a factor there.... -eric From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <4492CC06.90809@lanl.gov> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:19:34 -0600 From: Ronald G Minnich User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7-1.1.fc4 (X11/20050929) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: Inferno on OLPC? (was Re: [9fans] *poof*) References: <2b977395580f363d7a1fadde4dc3c26f@vitanuova.com> In-Reply-To: <2b977395580f363d7a1fadde4dc3c26f@vitanuova.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 6bcb02b0-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 rog@vitanuova.com wrote: >>The other issue is that, evidently, you can't build inferno under inferno. > > > are there sufficient resources on the OLPC to build (say) Linux inside Linux? yes. The goal is to provide these guys with a hackable system, right down to the bios. THe bios hacking will be very, very rare, and requires manual intervention to enable write. But the linux hacking is intended to be frequent. ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <4492CC16.6020308@lanl.gov> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:19:50 -0600 From: Ronald G Minnich User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7-1.1.fc4 (X11/20050929) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: Inferno on OLPC? (was Re: [9fans] *poof*) References: <7a33156a1f7ff4688152051f59aecefc@quanstro.net> <2b977395580f363d7a1fadde4dc3c26f@vitanuova.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 6bcf0c5c-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: > On 6/16/06, rog@vitanuova.com wrote: > >> > The other issue is that, evidently, you can't build inferno under >> inferno. >> >> are there sufficient resources on the OLPC to build (say) Linux inside >> Linux? >> > > The right question is, at 10-15W per child, how long will it take a > child with a crank to power a full Linux build.... > > Of course, no local disk may also be a factor there.... > > -eric actually, the crank is history. ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <33428f89a838accd212b187998d20cbe@plan9.bell-labs.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:35:27 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Inferno on OLPC? (was Re: [9fans] *poof*) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 6bd508d2-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 One of the interesting things to come out of the excellent presentation at Usenix was that there are people out there who know things like how much power you can get out of a child at various ages, etc. How many 8-year old children == 1 pit pony? We could work out how long and how many children it would take to compile Linux on this maybe by starting with the time and power taken to compile it on some known machine. On Fri Jun 16 09:30:48 EDT 2006, ericvh@gmail.com wrote: > On 6/16/06, rog@vitanuova.com wrote: > > > The other issue is that, evidently, you can't build inferno under inferno. > > > > are there sufficient resources on the OLPC to build (say) Linux inside Linux? > > > > The right question is, at 10-15W per child, how long will it take a > child with a crank to power a full Linux build.... > > Of course, no local disk may also be a factor there.... > > -eric From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <3fac5b8234094241b204d5bd06c278e1@plan9.bell-labs.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:39:11 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Inferno on OLPC? (was Re: [9fans] *poof*) In-Reply-To: <4492CC06.90809@lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 6bf23aba-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Fri Jun 16 11:23:35 EDT 2006, rminnich@lanl.gov wrote: > ... > > But the linux hacking is intended to be frequent. > > ron All Linux hacking seems to be frequent... From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:25:36 -0700 From: "Micah Stetson" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: Inferno on OLPC? (was Re: [9fans] *poof*) In-Reply-To: <33428f89a838accd212b187998d20cbe@plan9.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <33428f89a838accd212b187998d20cbe@plan9.bell-labs.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 6bfa79a0-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > One of the interesting things to come out of the excellent > presentation at Usenix was that there are people out there > who know things like how much power you can get out of a child > at various ages, etc. > > How many 8-year old children == 1 pit pony? We would like to extend our gratitude to the International Society of Sweatshop Efficiency Experts for their invaluable engineering assistance. No actual children were harmed during the production of this computer. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <4492DF16.7020706@village.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:40:54 -0400 From: Wes Kussmaul User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: Inferno on OLPC? (was Re: [9fans] *poof*) References: <7a33156a1f7ff4688152051f59aecefc@quanstro.net> <2b977395580f363d7a1fadde4dc3c26f@vitanuova.com> <4492CC16.6020308@lanl.gov> In-Reply-To: <4492CC16.6020308@lanl.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Message-UUID: 6bfeae94-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Ronald G Minnich wrote: > Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: > >> The right question is, at 10-15W per child, how long will it take a >> child with a crank to power a full Linux build.... >> >> Of course, no local disk may also be a factor there.... > > > actually, the crank is history. I had heard that the crank will be reintroduced on models going to very=20 primitive areas, that it had been removed because it generated=20 distracting a distracting buzz, e.g. "Hey Melinda, what do you call a crank on a computer? Nick Negroponte." --=20 Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 781-647-7178 My uncle likes to say that the world=92s biggest troubles started when th= e serpent said, =93Try this fruit, and by the way if a bunch of people co= llectively calling themselves Arthur Andersen signs something it=92s the = same as if a person named Arthur Andersen signed it.=94 I don=92t get the= serpent and fruit part. Must be some Swiss mythology thing. He can be a = bit obscure.=20 P.K. Iggy _How I Like Fixed The Internet_ (Tales from the Great Infodepression of 2009 and the prosperity that followed) From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <49261.222.153.1.16.1150671453.squirrel@mail2.monitorbm.co.nz> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:57:33 +1200 Subject: Re: Inferno on OLPC? (was Re: [9fans] *poof*) From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <33428f89a838accd212b187998d20cbe@plan9.bell-labs.com> References: <33428f89a838accd212b187998d20cbe@plan9.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Message-UUID: 6ce688f4-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > One of the interesting things to come out of the excellent > presentation at Usenix was that there are people out there > who know things like how much power you can get out of a child > at various ages, etc. > > How many 8-year old children =3D=3D 1 pit pony? > > We could work out how long and how many children it would > take to compile Linux on this maybe by starting with the time > and power taken to compile it on some known machine. > Personally I'd like to know how you get power out of a child at any age. = Do you hook a turbine up to the Xbox controllers, or what? From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <364933564da8e12ec4f6859cb4a94eb8@quanstro.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:27:47 -0500 From: quanstro@quanstro.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Inferno on OLPC? (was Re: [9fans] *poof*) In-Reply-To: <49261.222.153.1.16.1150671453.squirrel@mail2.monitorbm.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 6ceb07b2-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 since children tend to go real fast in circles and since W = F*d, children produce no work. ;-) but that's okay. most adults don't either. - erik On Sun Jun 18 17:59:23 CDT 2006, andrew.simmons@monitorbm.co.nz wrote: > > One of the interesting things to come out of the excellent > > presentation at Usenix was that there are people out there > > who know things like how much power you can get out of a child > > at various ages, etc. > > > > How many 8-year old children == 1 pit pony? > > > > We could work out how long and how many children it would > > take to compile Linux on this maybe by starting with the time > > and power taken to compile it on some known machine. > > > > Personally I'd like to know how you get power out of a child at any age. Do > you hook a turbine up to the Xbox controllers, or what? From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <6e35c0620606181844l646eae28i7243bdefdec98627@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:44:41 -0700 From: "Jack Johnson" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: Inferno on OLPC? (was Re: [9fans] *poof*) In-Reply-To: <49261.222.153.1.16.1150671453.squirrel@mail2.monitorbm.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <33428f89a838accd212b187998d20cbe@plan9.bell-labs.com> <49261.222.153.1.16.1150671453.squirrel@mail2.monitorbm.co.nz> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 6cf0576c-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 6/18/06, andrew.simmons@monitorbm.co.nz wrote: > Personally I'd like to know how you get power out of a child at any age. Do > you hook a turbine up to the Xbox controllers, or what? It's been known for some time that an 830 kJ Twinkie will produce an order of magnitude more energy when consumed by any primate of an age range between 1/9 and 1/5 of it's estimated lifespan, but as of yet this energy production has been unstable. -J