[9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[phineas.pett]

Hi everyone,

I'm tinkering with an alternative Plan 9 logo.

Any comments or suggestions?  Is there even any interest in something
like this?

http://pdf.multics.org/9_Logo_Concept.pdf

Best,
Peter

Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[Jay Kruer]

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Looks really nice. However, Glenda will forever hold a special place in my heart. Perhaps this would be a good logo for 9front?

phineas.pett@gmail.com wrote:
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>I'm tinkering with an alternative Plan 9 logo.
>
>Any comments or suggestions?  Is there even any interest in something
>like this?
>
>http://pdf.multics.org/9_Logo_Concept.pdf
>
>Best,
>Peter

―
周杰

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Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[phineas.pett]

At Fri, 03 Jan 2014 17:11:02 -0500,
Jay Kruer wrote:
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> Looks really nice. However, Glenda will forever hold a special place
> in my heart. Perhaps this would be a good logo for 9front?
>

Thanks for the feedback.  I wasn't really intending to replace Glenda
(that would be deeply wrong)---but I've always rather thought s/he was
a mascot more than a logo.  As for 9 Front, they seem to already have
a logo and distinctive aesthetic and I rather think they should stick
with it (I particularly like their ironic choice of Helvetica).

In anycase, it seems to me there isn't really a logo, badge, or visual
device which represents a geneological conection with Plan 9 or
indicates the use of Plan 9-derived technology.  This may be more what
I had in mind rather than attempting to rebrand the Bell Labs Edition
or 9 Front.

Peter

Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[Shane Morris]

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"Plan 9 Inside"?

I would buy products with that sticker.


On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 4:42 AM, <phineas.pett@gmail.com> wrote:

> At Fri, 03 Jan 2014 17:11:02 -0500,
> Jay Kruer wrote:
> >
> > [1  <text/plain; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)>]
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> > Looks really nice. However, Glenda will forever hold a special place
> > in my heart. Perhaps this would be a good logo for 9front?
> >
>
> Thanks for the feedback.  I wasn't really intending to replace Glenda
> (that would be deeply wrong)---but I've always rather thought s/he was
> a mascot more than a logo.  As for 9 Front, they seem to already have
> a logo and distinctive aesthetic and I rather think they should stick
> with it (I particularly like their ironic choice of Helvetica).
>
> In anycase, it seems to me there isn't really a logo, badge, or visual
> device which represents a geneological conection with Plan 9 or
> indicates the use of Plan 9-derived technology.  This may be more what
> I had in mind rather than attempting to rebrand the Bell Labs Edition
> or 9 Front.
>
> Peter
>
>

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Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[Nicolas Bercher]

On 05/01/2014 19:09, Shane Morris wrote:
> "Plan 9 Inside"?

No, it's just Plan 9 inside 9 inside 9 inside 9 inside 9. (-;

Nicolas

Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[phineas.pett]

At Mon, 06 Jan 2014 19:25:29 +0100,
Nicolas Bercher wrote:
>
> On 05/01/2014 19:09, Shane Morris wrote:
> > "Plan 9 Inside"?

I was trying to suggest `recursion' on one level, and perhaps
`expanding development' on another---though `nine inside' is a clever
angle.

> No, it's just Plan 9 inside 9 inside 9 inside 9 inside 9. (-;
>
> Nicolas

Nine 9s would have been symbolically better, but it cannot be made to
work graphically unless the scale is enormous.  At screen resolution
the centre just becomes blurred.  I had to settle for six nines (three
positive, three negative).

Peter

Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[Nicolas Bercher]

On 07/01/2014 01:02, phineas.pett@gmail.com wrote:
> Nine 9s would have been symbolically better, but it cannot be made to
> work graphically unless the scale is enormous.  At screen resolution
> the centre just becomes blurred.  I had to settle for six nines (three
> positive, three negative).
>
> Peter

6 is just like an upside down 9.  Even if I'm not an everyday user,
Plan 9 has always surprized me in the ways it enables to do things.
It's somehow like an upside down approach to the Unix world.

6 is 2/3 a 9... one may never exploit 100% Plan 9 in deepness?

Also, regarding what Erik asked on 3rd January "does anyone feel like
debugging an infinite os?", I feel Plan 9 offers an extra-wide range of
possibilities, "approchoaching infinity" suggested by your logo.

And in the end, your logo is black (or really dark gray) and white,
just like the Ed Wood movie.

Thus, your logo fits well to me.
Nicolas

Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[erik quanstrom]

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> 6 is just like an upside down 9.  Even if I'm not an everyday user,

9 clock.  now you can keep upside-down time.

- erik

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Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[phineas.pett]

At Tue, 07 Jan 2014 14:00:42 +0100,
Nicolas Bercher wrote:
> 6 is just like an upside down 9.  Even if I'm not an everyday user,
> Plan 9 has always surprized me in the ways it enables to do things.
> It's somehow like an upside down approach to the Unix world.
> 
> 6 is 2/3 a 9... one may never exploit 100% Plan 9 in deepness?

I defer to your fine analysis ;-) 

> And in the end, your logo is black (or really dark gray) and white,
> just like the Ed Wood movie.

I'm happy to get some feedback on the colour.  The choice of black and
white was partly because of its neutrality; but as you point out, also
in keeping the black white film and the original black and white
Glenda art work (http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/glenda.html).  (I’ve
made a self-conscious attempt to keep new aesthetic ideas anchored to
the tradition---if only loosely---in an attempt to maintain some
continuity with the past.)

I stuck mostly to the black and white palette in the stuff I posted
last year: http://pdf.multics.org/Propaganda/

I am also partial to the reds and blues used in the original movie
poster.  I'll post some colour variations in the final draft.

Peter

Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[Dave Eckhardt]

Will t-shirts be available?  Hopefully not just white?

Dave Eckhardt

Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[Bakul Shah]

On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 14:00:42 +0100 Nicolas Bercher <nbercher@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
> Also, regarding what Erik asked on 3rd January "does anyone feel like
> debugging an infinite os?", I feel Plan 9 offers an extra-wide range of
> possibilities, "approchoaching infinity" suggested by your logo.

This logo reminds of the "time tunnel" in the old "The Time
Tunnel" TV show. Hollywood's idea of science fiction,
mysterious & endless tunnel you can't escape from is not
something I associate with plan9.  If anything it takes the
mystery out of good OS design!

To me Plan9 is closer to a bucket of Lego Technics parts (and
less Pirates of Caribbean kind of Lego sets).  Small, well
designed, high quality parts that are highly composable, fun
to play with & what you can build with is limited only by your
imagination.

Funny how we all see something different in the same graphic!

Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[Nicolas Bercher]

On 07/01/2014 19:20, Bakul Shah wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 14:00:42 +0100 Nicolas Bercher <nbercher@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>
>> Also, regarding what Erik asked on 3rd January "does anyone feel like
>> debugging an infinite os?", I feel Plan 9 offers an extra-wide range of
>> possibilities, "approchoaching infinity" suggested by your logo.
>
> This logo reminds of the "time tunnel" in the old "The Time
> Tunnel" TV show. Hollywood's idea of science fiction,
> mysterious & endless tunnel you can't escape from is not
> something I associate with plan9.  If anything it takes the
> mystery out of good OS design!
>
> To me Plan9 is closer to a bucket of Lego Technics parts (and
> less Pirates of Caribbean kind of Lego sets).  Small, well
> designed, high quality parts that are highly composable, fun
> to play with & what you can build with is limited only by your
> imagination.
>
> Funny how we all see something different in the same graphic!

I completely agree.  And I think my point of view was, since I'm a big
fan of Lego Technic, just expressing "the wide range of things you can
invent with Lego Technic parts".

Nicolas

Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[Jens Staal]

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It somehow makes me think about Alice in wonderland falling down the rabbit
hole... Will she meet a Glenda nervously looking at the clock?

PS. Sorry abort top post... Android's fault
Den 6 jan 2014 19:27 skrev "Nicolas Bercher" <nbercher@yahoo.fr>:

> On 05/01/2014 19:09, Shane Morris wrote:
>
>> "Plan 9 Inside"?
>>
>
> No, it's just Plan 9 inside 9 inside 9 inside 9 inside 9. (-;
>
> Nicolas
>
>

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Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[Mark van Atten]

> It somehow makes me think about Alice in wonderland falling down the rabbit
> hole... Will she meet a Glenda nervously looking at the clock?

Very nice!

Mark.

Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[phineas.pett]

At Tue, 7 Jan 2014 06:59:38 +0100,
Jens Staal wrote:
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> It somehow makes me think about Alice in wonderland falling down the
> rabbit hole... Will she meet a Glenda nervously looking at the clock?
>

(The Cat Clock most likely.)

Peter

Ps. it may be dangerous to stare at it for long periods...

Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[Lyndon Nerenberg]

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It reminds me of the entrance to the Bell Labs Time Tunnel.

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Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[erik quanstrom]

> It reminds me of the entrance to the Bell Labs Time Tunnel.

so it does, mr. conductor.

- erik

Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[andrey mirtchovski]

Number 9
Number 9
Number 9
Number 9
Number 9
Number 9

Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[Oleksandr Iakovliev]

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Only 3 nested coils.
Should be Fractal-like to include infinity amount of 9!

On 2014-01-03 23:07 , phineas.pett@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm tinkering with an alternative Plan 9 logo.
>
> Any comments or suggestions?  Is there even any interest in something
> like this?
>
> http://pdf.multics.org/9_Logo_Concept.pdf
>
> Best,
> Peter
>



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Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[erik quanstrom]

> Should be Fractal-like to include infinity amount of 9!

does anyone feel like debugging an infinite os?

- erik

Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[Oleksandr Iakovliev]

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On 2014-01-03 23:40 , erik quanstrom wrote:
>> Should be Fractal-like to include infinity amount of 9!
> does anyone feel like debugging an infinite os?
>
> - erik
>

yep, os with infinity(8 rotated half-pi)++ = unity for every housewife :)

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Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[Patryk Laurent]

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Wow, that looks really sharp.  It seems appropriate to have such a logo for an operating system that is the potential next step after unix.
Patryk

On Jan 03, 2014, at 02:07 PM, phineas.pett@gmail.com wrote:


Hi everyone,

I'm tinkering with an alternative Plan 9 logo.

Any comments or suggestions? Is there even any interest in something
like this?

http://pdf.multics.org/9_Logo_Concept.pdf

Best,
Peter


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Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[Nicolas Bercher]

On 03/01/2014 23:07, phineas.pett@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm tinkering with an alternative Plan 9 logo.
>
> Any comments or suggestions?  Is there even any interest in something
> like this?
>
> http://pdf.multics.org/9_Logo_Concept.pdf
>
> Best,
> Peter
>

Beautiful logo.
I wonder who could decide to adopt it on behalf of the community?

Nicolas

Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[Bence Fábián]

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Just start using it. That's how things got adopted by a community.


2014/1/6 Nicolas Bercher <nbercher@yahoo.fr>

> On 03/01/2014 23:07, phineas.pett@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'm tinkering with an alternative Plan 9 logo.
>>
>> Any comments or suggestions?  Is there even any interest in something
>> like this?
>>
>> http://pdf.multics.org/9_Logo_Concept.pdf
>>
>> Best,
>> Peter
>>
>>
> Beautiful logo.
> I wonder who could decide to adopt it on behalf of the community?
>
> Nicolas
>
>

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Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[phineas.pett]

At Mon, 6 Jan 2014 18:30:46 +0100,
Bence Fábián wrote:
> 
> Just start using it. That's how things got adopted by a community.
> 

I would be flattered if people did.  Since there is apparently some
interest I'll clean it up a bit and make the source files available.

Peter

Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[Shane Morris]

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I'd be interested in using it as a logo for my future syncfs work. Can
someone think of a catchy tagline? "Powered by Plan 9 technology" or
similar?


On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:07 AM, <phineas.pett@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> At Mon, 6 Jan 2014 18:30:46 +0100,
> Bence Fábián wrote:
> >
> > Just start using it. That's how things got adopted by a community.
> >
>
> I would be flattered if people did.  Since there is apparently some
> interest I'll clean it up a bit and make the source files available.
>
> Peter
>
>

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Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[Jacob Todd]

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It's just software, it doesn't need a slogan.
On Jan 6, 2014 7:23 PM, "Shane Morris" <edgecomberts@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd be interested in using it as a logo for my future syncfs work. Can
> someone think of a catchy tagline? "Powered by Plan 9 technology" or
> similar?
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:07 AM, <phineas.pett@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> At Mon, 6 Jan 2014 18:30:46 +0100,
>> Bence Fábián wrote:
>> >
>> > Just start using it. That's how things got adopted by a community.
>> >
>>
>> I would be flattered if people did.  Since there is apparently some
>> interest I'll clean it up a bit and make the source files available.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>

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Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[Shane Morris]

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Then again, you might not want to sell technology. I differ the point.


On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Jacob Todd <jaketodd422@gmail.com> wrote:

> It's just software, it doesn't need a slogan.
> On Jan 6, 2014 7:23 PM, "Shane Morris" <edgecomberts@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'd be interested in using it as a logo for my future syncfs work. Can
>> someone think of a catchy tagline? "Powered by Plan 9 technology" or
>> similar?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:07 AM, <phineas.pett@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> At Mon, 6 Jan 2014 18:30:46 +0100,
>>> Bence Fábián wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Just start using it. That's how things got adopted by a community.
>>> >
>>>
>>> I would be flattered if people did.  Since there is apparently some
>>> interest I'll clean it up a bit and make the source files available.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>

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Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[lucio]

> "Powered by Plan 9 technology"

"Powered by Plan 9 philosophy"?

++L

Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[Skip Tavakkolian]

"Enlightened by Plan 9 Philosophy"

On Jan 6, 2014, at 8:48 PM, lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote:

>> "Powered by Plan 9 technology"
>
> "Powered by Plan 9 philosophy"?
>
> ++L
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[Shane Morris]

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Sounds good =)


On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com
> wrote:

> "Enlightened by Plan 9 Philosophy"
>
> On Jan 6, 2014, at 8:48 PM, lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote:
>
> >> "Powered by Plan 9 technology"
> >
> > "Powered by Plan 9 philosophy"?
> >
> > ++L
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[andrey mirtchovski]

"Adjective Bird Whiskey" :)

Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[Jeff Sickel]

s/Adjective/Addicted to/

On Jan 6, 2014, at 11:05 PM, andrey mirtchovski <mirtchovski@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Adjective Bird Whiskey" :)
> 

Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[erik quanstrom]

> "Adjective Bird Whiskey" :)

prepositional bunny booze?
fueled by rabbit rum?
limping on lop liquor.  (perhaps replace liquor with a handy "l" word.)

- erik

Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[Winston Kodogo]

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> > I wonder who could decide to adopt it on behalf of the community?
>
> As I understand it, this list is not a community, but an
anarcho-syndicalist commune.

In which case the executive officer for the week can decide to adopt the
new logo, but all decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a
special bi-weekly meeting, by a simple majority in the case of purely
internal affairs, but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more major (I
ORDER YOU TO BE QUIET - SIGNED BOYD (RIP)).

So my question is, do we need a simple majority to adopt the new logo, or
will a two-thirds majority be called for?

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