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(Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: d003647e-0fe4-11ef-887d-680b068c7b06 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UY2YxMjhmYTk1NWI4YWFmYy1NNTI2YzhjMjkzMjk3NTQxZWUwZmY2?= =?UTF-8?B?YzBkPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M526c8c293297541ee0ff6c0d:1:zWxJnBsMD6Urm6VeZGZiPYTlwQZAsnGE8q3d3DcK9Ek Let me explain my intent and elaborate on my point of view. I started a ne= w thread to enhance the signal-to-noise ratio. It's easy for a thread to be= come cluttered with multiple issues, so I believe creating separate threads= for distinct concerns helps streamline communication and keeps discussions= focused.=20=20 As a hobbyist, I see we all share a passion for Plan 9 and its development.= Enhancing collaboration between communities would benefit everyone involv= ed, and potentially enhance decorum on 9fans. I am curious to gauge whethe= r there is any interest in activities that could facilitate positive teamwo= rk, foster stronger connections, and break down barriers between communitie= s.=20=20 Fostering discord among communities seems to only perpetuate more discord. = In my mind, seeking to improve collaboration between communities seemed, a= nd still seems, worthwhile. As a hobbyist, I find myself pondering: What motivates individuals to parti= cipate in 9fans if not for a genuine interest in supporting the Plan 9 comm= unity? 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I= accept that I was as guilty of that presumption as much as anyone who post= ed after me. >> >> Lucio. >> >> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 3:39=E2=80=AFPM wrote: >>> > >>> > What I notice - correct me if I am mistaken - is that any comparison = between 9front and 9legacy seems to needle a few members (very few, there a= re many names from that community that have not participated, specifically = the ones I know hand have long respectes, ask them) of the 9front community= that seem to take offence unless 9front is painted in a better light. 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