From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 15:08:09 +0200 From: dante To: <9fans@9fans.net> Message-ID: User-Agent: Posteo Webmail Subject: [9fans] The Third Button Topicbox-Message-UUID: 083c5f48-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Dear 9fans, Is there any situation (i.e., GUI area) where both the 2nd *and* the 3rd mouse button are indispensable options? Except for chording. Would it be possible to create the option of merging these two buttons for machines not blessed with the traditional rodent? I ask this because 3-button-mice (*not* 2-button-and-wheel) are almost impossible to find nowadays. Moreover, many notebooks have good touchpads to be used in situations when mice are impractical (on train, on the lap). These interfaces present pretty nice solutions for button-1 and button-3, but it's hard to impossible to do a button-2 click. In Acme, for instance, you generally need button-3 in the text area and button-2 in the menu area. I'm not sure when button-2 in the text area and button-3 in the menu area would be indispensable. In Rio, you generally need button-3 when you click outside the focused window and button-2 when you click inside the focused window. Cheers, Dante From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 14:28:49 +0100 Message-ID: From: Robert Raschke To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0158ac8655bf9504feb4166d Subject: Re: [9fans] The Third Button Topicbox-Message-UUID: 0840d316-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --089e0158ac8655bf9504feb4166d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 In acme, button-3 can cancel a button-2 execute. Say you button-2-sweep a command, but then decide, err, no, don't want to do that, you chord-click button-3 to cancel the execution. Not sure about other ways of doing this. Robby On 21 July 2014 14:08, dante wrote: > Dear 9fans, > > Is there any situation (i.e., GUI area) where both the 2nd *and* the 3rd > mouse button are indispensable options? > Except for chording. > > Would it be possible to create the option of merging these two buttons for > machines not blessed with the traditional rodent? > > I ask this because 3-button-mice (*not* 2-button-and-wheel) are almost > impossible to find nowadays. > Moreover, many notebooks have good touchpads to be used in situations when > mice are impractical (on train, on the lap). > These interfaces present pretty nice solutions for button-1 and button-3, > but it's hard to impossible to do a button-2 click. > > In Acme, for instance, you generally need button-3 in the text area and > button-2 in the menu area. > I'm not sure when button-2 in the text area and button-3 in the menu area > would be indispensable. > In Rio, you generally need button-3 when you click outside the focused > window and button-2 when you click inside the focused window. > > Cheers, > Dante > > > --089e0158ac8655bf9504feb4166d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
In acme, button-3 can cancel a button-2 execute. Say you button-2-sweep a command, but then decide, err, no, don't want to do that, you chord-click button-3 to cancel the execution. Not sure about other ways of doing this.


Robby


On 21 July 2014 14:08, dante <subscriptions@posteo.eu> wrote:
Dear 9fans,

Is there any situation (i.e., GUI area) where both the 2nd *and* the 3rd mouse button are indispensable options?
Except for chording.

Would it be possible to create the option of merging these two buttons for machines not blessed with the traditional rodent?

I ask this because 3-button-mice (*not* 2-button-and-wheel) are almost impossible to find nowadays.
Moreover, many notebooks have good touchpads to be used in situations when mice are impractical (on train, on the lap).
These interfaces present pretty nice solutions for button-1 and button-3, but it's hard to impossible to do a button-2 click.

In Acme, for instance, you generally need button-3 in the text area and button-2 in the menu area.
I'm not sure when button-2 in the text area and button-3 in the menu area would be indispensable.
In Rio, you generally need button-3 when you click outside the focused window and button-2 when you click inside the focused window.

Cheers,
Dante



--089e0158ac8655bf9504feb4166d-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 06:33:50 -0700 From: cam@9.SQUiSH.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] The Third Button Topicbox-Message-UUID: 0845292a-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 with drawterm on osx, button 2 click is option+click, button 3 is command+click. in qemu, button 2 is shift+command+click and button 3 is command+click. on pc's with ps/2 two button mice, i believe shift+click is button 2. if you are using something different, try various combinations of modifier keys and clicking. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 06:55:15 -0700 From: cam@9.SQUiSH.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] The Third Button Topicbox-Message-UUID: 08491094-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 i forgot to mention: alternately, kbmap(3) is supposed to let you use function keys as mouse buttons. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <1405956924.98141.YahooMailBasic@web184704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 08:35:24 -0700 From: "Brian L. Stuart" To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [9fans] The Third Button Topicbox-Message-UUID: 088da7ae-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Would it be possible to create the option of merging these two buttons > for machines not blessed with the traditional rodent? If you hold down the right shift key while pressing the right button, it interpretes that as a middle button press. I'm not completely certain, but I seem to remember it has to be the right shift key and not the left. The one machine where I use that is a laptop and I've gotten into the habit of holding the shift key with my pinky and hitting the right button below the touchpad with my thumb. Still not as nice as a real middle button, but it serves in a pinch. BLS From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <53D794A1.2090404@yahoo.fr> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:33:37 +0200 From: Nicolas Bercher User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@9fans.net References: <1405956924.98141.YahooMailBasic@web184704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1405956924.98141.YahooMailBasic@web184704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] The Third Button Topicbox-Message-UUID: 099f2f46-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 21/07/2014 17:35, Brian L. Stuart wrote: >> Would it be possible to create the option of merging these two buttons >> for machines not blessed with the traditional rodent? > > If you hold down the right shift key while pressing the right > button, it interpretes that as a middle button press. I'm not > completely certain, but I seem to remember it has to be the > right shift key and not the left. The one machine where I > use that is a laptop and I've gotten into the habit of holding > the shift key with my pinky and hitting the right button below > the touchpad with my thumb. Still not as nice as a real > middle button, but it serves in a pinch. > > BLS http://plan9.stanleylieber.com/1995/ http://plan9.stanleylieber.com/1995/img/01.jpg Nicolas