Re: [9fans] interesting potential targets for plan 9 and/or inferno

["Noah Evans" <noah.evans@gmail.com>]

Hey Lucio,

We're missing each other. The initial point of discussion was "what
are the barriers for the adoption of plan 9?" not the development
model or what is the "right" way to do things. My post was not meant
to advocate making rio "prettier". I hope I made that clear.

What I would like to reiterate, though, is that the expectations of a
typical user, even a very smart one, differ from Plan 9 community. If
we could better understand that difference and couch Plan 9 advocacy
in terms a regular user can more readily understand Plan 9 advocacy
would be much more effective.

Noah

On 3/15/07, lucio@proxima.alt.za <lucio@proxima.alt.za> wrote:
> > I'm not advocating doo-dads, I'm just saying that's fundamentally
> > where I think a lot of the resistance to Plan 9 is coming from. A
> > large percentage of the OS hobbyists are vain. They would rather have
> > something like gnome or kde than something like rio because it looks
> > "cool."
> >
> >  Noah
> >
> > On 3/14/07, lucio@proxima.alt.za <lucio@proxima.alt.za> wrote:
> >> > I think the root of the bias against rio is that it isn't "pretty". I
> >> > was joking when I talked about gradients and rounded corners, but I'm
> >> > willing to bet that if rio did have cute windows, anti-aliased fonts
> >> > and little whirry 3d doo dads that a lot of the complaints about it
> >> > would disappear.
> >>
> >> But that is all computing time that could be better spent elsewhere.
> >> Who actually wants their machine to run no faster than a 4.7MHz IBM
> >> PC-Clone, albeit a very snazzy looking one?
> >>
> > Lots of people. That's the problem.
> >
> So what?  I didn't ask "how many?", I asked "who?".  We do not run
> Plan 9 development as a democracy, it is a meritocracy where program
> code gets you Noddy points.  So is Linux, actually, and the real and
> significant difference is that Linux was there to fill a gap before
> Plan 9, so the expectant mediocracy took it on as their own.  In a lot
> of ways, I'm glad Plan 9 didn't suffer that fate and I'm even more
> glad that the mediocracy is too busy shining the chrome on Linux to
> come and interfere with the engineering in Plan 9.
>
> ++L
>
>