From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <56a297000703151653k46561ad4s507a4d35959ab105@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:53:37 +0900 From: "Noah Evans" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] interesting potential targets for plan 9 and/or inferno In-Reply-To: <0e019c3631c2fad547cc9ac4930d41be@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <56a297000703132213y1feea5c4u637c0b8f1208033@mail.gmail.com> <0e019c3631c2fad547cc9ac4930d41be@proxima.alt.za> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 2619e9b0-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Hey Lucio, We're missing each other. The initial point of discussion was "what are the barriers for the adoption of plan 9?" not the development model or what is the "right" way to do things. My post was not meant to advocate making rio "prettier". I hope I made that clear. What I would like to reiterate, though, is that the expectations of a typical user, even a very smart one, differ from Plan 9 community. If we could better understand that difference and couch Plan 9 advocacy in terms a regular user can more readily understand Plan 9 advocacy would be much more effective. Noah On 3/15/07, lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote: > > I'm not advocating doo-dads, I'm just saying that's fundamentally > > where I think a lot of the resistance to Plan 9 is coming from. A > > large percentage of the OS hobbyists are vain. They would rather have > > something like gnome or kde than something like rio because it looks > > "cool." > > > > Noah > > > > On 3/14/07, lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote: > >> > I think the root of the bias against rio is that it isn't "pretty". I > >> > was joking when I talked about gradients and rounded corners, but I'm > >> > willing to bet that if rio did have cute windows, anti-aliased fonts > >> > and little whirry 3d doo dads that a lot of the complaints about it > >> > would disappear. > >> > >> But that is all computing time that could be better spent elsewhere. > >> Who actually wants their machine to run no faster than a 4.7MHz IBM > >> PC-Clone, albeit a very snazzy looking one? > >> > > Lots of people. That's the problem. > > > So what? I didn't ask "how many?", I asked "who?". We do not run > Plan 9 development as a democracy, it is a meritocracy where program > code gets you Noddy points. So is Linux, actually, and the real and > significant difference is that Linux was there to fill a gap before > Plan 9, so the expectant mediocracy took it on as their own. In a lot > of ways, I'm glad Plan 9 didn't suffer that fate and I'm even more > glad that the mediocracy is too busy shining the chrome on Linux to > come and interfere with the engineering in Plan 9. > > ++L > >