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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 04:33:48 -0500 Message-Id: <58B7CFD2-3CE0-4248-84B8-133CC50C0422@mac.com> References: In-Reply-To: To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (19D50) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.425,18.0.816 definitions=2022-01-28_01:2022-01-27,2022-01-27 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2009150000 definitions=main-2201280058 Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: moderate: reply to existing message Topicbox-Message-UUID: 69340838-801d-11ec-a6b6-a9b7e0e9e101 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UNDlmM2NjZWVhNzBkMmI2MS1NNjRiZTFjMjYwNTg1MTZiYTAwMWM5?= =?UTF-8?B?YjRkPg==?= From: "David Leimbach via 9fans" <9fans@9fans.net> List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M64be1c26058516ba001c9b4d:0:kpZz9xScXeCb-Zy0n2hgPRJi2iHSLFLlOJg5aig2EvU I use a big heavy trackball. Kensington pro trackball is pricey but you get= four buttons and a scroll ring. Got my first one well over 10 years ago and it=E2=80=99s still my daily dri= ver. I have a second wireless one on a Mac. The wired one is better overall= if you can get them. The wireless one can work with a USB dongle (tiny) or= Bluetooth. Again, they=E2=80=99re a bit expensive but I love the four quadrant buttons= too much and this thing has survived moving across the country a few times= with my less than wonderful packing skills. Lots of great advice in this thread though! Good luck! Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 28, 2022, at 3:04 AM, adr wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn Fri, 28 Jan 2022, umbraticus@prosimetrum.com wrote: >=20 >> I use a Kensington Expert which I guess falls into the big >=20 > That's funny, it's the very same I was looking at. >=20 > aliexpress.com/item/1005001848991454.html >=20 >> The scrollwheel thing is pretty nice too. >=20 > Three button mice with lateral scrollwheel are even harder to > find. That's why I ended up with this cheap one: >=20 > aliexpress.com/item/4000004785639.html >=20 > It's not so bad, the plastic feels a little cheaper than one from > hp or ibm but cost less than half the price... and it is very > accurate, really. It enters sleep mode to save battery (you can't > disable this) and the only way to wake it is clicking one of the > buttons (not the wheel). Now the funny part: it sends the click to > the host. 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