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From: erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] Non-stack-based calling conventions
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 10:04:47 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5970ae4ea6d347c4922b94471553279a@quanstro.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <op.t6n7sdmkc6yvfe@computer>

> COFF has had to cope with a certain monster dubbed portability; to adapt
> to the peculiarities of the many flavors of UNIX (and at least one
> Microsoft OS, with MS-COFF). So good it has been practically put out of
> business by ELF or... do Plan 9 compilers output COFF object files?

see a.out(6).

> COFF has had to cope with a certain monster dubbed portability; to adapt
> to the peculiarities of the many flavors of UNIX (and at least one
> Microsoft OS, with MS-COFF). So good it has been practically put out of
> business by ELF or... do Plan 9 compilers output COFF object files?

flat memory model:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDC_6600#Memory_organization

> I am actually very grateful for having a flat 32/64 bit address space all
> to myself. Even though the curse of managing virtual memory and driving
> the associated hardware has been placed on every OS developer, occasional
> programmers like me really enjoy the outcome.

it's interesting to note that it is being loaded at a constant address
makes the job of loading & generating the code much simplier.  the
location of allocated memory isn't as important --- those details
can often be hidden in an malloc-style function.  even on 386
hardware, segments can be used to cover all of memory.  as long
as your allocator knows where not to step (pci space, for example),
this should be good enough.

so if you're running without the operating system or your application
is the operating system (embedded systems), virtual memory might
just get in the way.  tlb hardware doesn't do its translation for free.

- erik


  reply	other threads:[~2008-02-17 15:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-13 22:03 [9fans] quote of the day erik quanstrom
2008-02-13 23:08 ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-13 23:24 ` [9fans] Google search " dave.l
2008-02-13 23:31   ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-13 23:41     ` erik quanstrom
2008-02-13 23:49       ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-13 23:59     ` john
2008-02-14  0:04       ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-14  6:11         ` Anant Narayanan
2008-02-15 17:39         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-02-14 16:45       ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2008-02-14 17:09         ` john
2008-02-14 17:27           ` erik quanstrom
2008-02-15  9:50             ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2008-02-15 11:49               ` Alf
2008-02-15 13:15               ` erik quanstrom
2008-02-15 14:56                 ` Brantley Coile
2008-02-15 15:44                   ` Eris Discordia
2008-02-15 16:07                     ` erik quanstrom
2008-02-15 16:43                       ` maht
2008-02-15 17:35                         ` ron minnich
2008-02-15 18:14                           ` Iruata Souza
2008-02-15 18:37                           ` maht
2008-02-15 17:39                       ` Eris Discordia
2008-02-15 19:05                         ` maht
2008-02-15 20:11                           ` Eris Discordia
2008-02-15 20:18                             ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-15 20:49                             ` maht
2008-02-16 23:32                               ` Eris Discordia
2008-02-15 23:37                         ` [9fans] Non-stack-based calling conventions Lyndon Nerenberg
2008-02-15 23:39                           ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-15 23:47                             ` Paweł Lasek
2008-02-16  0:23                               ` Brantley Coile
2008-02-16 23:32                                 ` Eris Discordia
2008-02-16 23:41                                   ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-16 23:49                                   ` Brantley Coile
2008-02-17  0:04                                   ` Brantley Coile
2008-02-17 13:30                                     ` Eris Discordia
2008-02-17 15:04                                       ` erik quanstrom [this message]
2008-02-17 21:43                                         ` Uriel
2008-02-17 23:58                                           ` erik quanstrom
2008-02-18  1:54                                             ` Bruce Ellis
2008-02-18  3:43                                               ` erik quanstrom
2008-02-18  4:31                                                 ` Bruce Ellis
2008-02-18  4:40                                                   ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-18  6:22                                               ` Robert William Fuller
2008-02-18  7:23                                                 ` Bruce Ellis
2008-02-18  8:38                                                   ` Anant Narayanan
2008-02-22 10:02                                                     ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2008-02-22 19:35                                                       ` Anant Narayanan
2008-02-18  8:30                                                 ` Anant Narayanan
2008-02-18  8:44                                                   ` Bruce Ellis
2008-02-18 18:50                                                 ` Federico G. Benavento
2008-02-18 21:53                                                   ` Lorenzo Fernando Bivens de la Fuente
2008-02-18 22:55                                                     ` y i y u s
2008-02-18 23:46                                                       ` Uriel
2008-02-18 22:14                                                   ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-18 22:16                                                     ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-18 22:32                                                       ` Federico G. Benavento
2008-02-20 11:39                                                   ` maht
2008-02-20 17:19                                                     ` Bruce Ellis
2008-02-22 10:02                                                     ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2008-02-22 10:02                                                   ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2008-02-18 22:13                                                 ` LiteStar numnums
2008-02-18  4:44                                             ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-18  4:46                                               ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-18  5:03                                                 ` Uriel
2008-02-17 16:08                                       ` Anthony Sorace
2008-02-17 22:03                                         ` Charles Forsyth
2008-02-22 10:01                                       ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2008-02-22 14:07                                         ` Iruata Souza
2008-02-22 10:01                                     ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2008-02-22 10:01                                 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2008-02-16  8:29                               ` Lluís Batlle
2008-02-17 23:09                                 ` Chad Dougherty
2008-02-18 21:50                                 ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-22 10:02                                 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2008-02-26 21:30                               ` Paweł Lasek
2008-02-26 22:00                                 ` maht
2008-02-26 22:32                                   ` Brantley Coile
2008-02-26 23:15                                     ` Uriel
2008-02-26 22:33                                   ` Brantley Coile
2008-02-26 22:46                                     ` Bruce Ellis
2008-02-27  4:26                                 ` lucio
2008-02-27  6:52                                   ` ron minnich
2008-02-27 17:57                                     ` lucio
2008-02-28  9:33                                     ` Bill Gunshannon
2008-02-28  9:58                                       ` Charles Forsyth
2008-02-28 14:15                                       ` Bill Gunshannon
2008-02-14 17:14         ` [9fans] Google search of the day Eris Discordia
2008-02-14 17:28           ` Fco. J. Ballesteros
2008-02-14 20:14             ` Eris Discordia
2008-02-14 20:30               ` Patrick Kristiansen
2008-02-14 20:38                 ` Eris Discordia
2008-02-14 22:09                   ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-15  9:00                     ` Eris Discordia
2008-02-14 17:51           ` Iruata Souza
2008-02-15  9:31             ` sqweek
2008-02-18  9:48               ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2008-02-18  9:57                 ` Gorka Guardiola
2008-02-19  9:17                 ` sqweek
2008-02-19  0:28 [9fans] Non-stack-based calling conventions Andrew Simmons
2008-02-19  0:39 ` Brantley Coile
2008-02-19  0:43   ` Andrew Simmons
2008-02-19  0:52     ` Uriel
2008-02-19  1:06       ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-19  1:33         ` Brantley Coile
2008-02-19  3:18         ` Michaelian Ennis
2008-02-19  3:29           ` Michaelian Ennis
2008-02-19  3:35             ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-19  5:18       ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-02-19  5:33       ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-02-19  4:11   ` Bruce Ellis
2008-02-20 14:59     ` maht
2008-02-20 15:28     ` Uriel

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