* [9fans] those funny gnu guys
@ 2008-11-14 18:34 erik quanstrom
2008-11-14 18:42 ` ron minnich
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From: erik quanstrom @ 2008-11-14 18:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
this is just stupifying:
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1029797&cid=25761431
Due to a strange quirk in the way compilers are designed, it's (MUCH) faster to build a dozen files that include every file in your project than to build thousands of files.
Once build times are down to 5 - 15 minutes you don't need distributed compiling. The link step is typically the most expensive anyway, so distributed compiling doesn't get you much.
sorry for the noise.
- erik
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* Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys
2008-11-14 18:34 [9fans] those funny gnu guys erik quanstrom
@ 2008-11-14 18:42 ` ron minnich
2008-11-14 20:44 ` David Leimbach
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From: ron minnich @ 2008-11-14 18:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
new word, inspired by this:
stupedifying
in the sense of stupid, stupefying, and edifying in all one blow.
I googled it and now feel much less creative.
ron
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* Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys
2008-11-14 18:34 [9fans] those funny gnu guys erik quanstrom
2008-11-14 18:42 ` ron minnich
@ 2008-11-14 20:44 ` David Leimbach
2008-11-14 22:09 ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-15 6:29 ` John Barham
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From: David Leimbach @ 2008-11-14 20:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
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reading slashdot is almost never worth the bandwidth or the time of your
life spent looking at it.
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:34 AM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>wrote:
> this is just stupifying:
>
> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1029797&cid=25761431
>
> Due to a strange quirk in the way compilers are designed, it's (MUCH)
> faster to build a dozen files that include every file in your project than
> to build thousands of files.
>
> Once build times are down to 5 - 15 minutes you don't need distributed
> compiling. The link step is typically the most expensive anyway, so
> distributed compiling doesn't get you much.
>
> sorry for the noise.
>
> - erik
>
>
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* Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys
2008-11-14 20:44 ` David Leimbach
@ 2008-11-14 22:09 ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-15 4:03 ` David Leimbach
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From: erik quanstrom @ 2008-11-14 22:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> reading slashdot is almost never worth the bandwidth or the time of your
> life spent looking at it.
if you are looking for technical information, you're
correct. it's not useful.
if however, you're interested in what people think,
slashdot is a good barometer.
- erik
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* Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys
2008-11-14 22:09 ` erik quanstrom
@ 2008-11-15 4:03 ` David Leimbach
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From: David Leimbach @ 2008-11-15 4:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
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On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 2:09 PM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@coraid.com> wrote:
> > reading slashdot is almost never worth the bandwidth or the time of your
> > life spent looking at it.
>
> if you are looking for technical information, you're
> correct. it's not useful.
>
> if however, you're interested in what people think,
> slashdot is a good barometer.
>
> - erik
>
> My mileage on that has varied as well :-). Most people I know couldn't
give a rats ass about what slashdotters think, and no one I work for or with
even looks at that site.
Dave
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* Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys
2008-11-14 18:34 [9fans] those funny gnu guys erik quanstrom
2008-11-14 18:42 ` ron minnich
2008-11-14 20:44 ` David Leimbach
@ 2008-11-15 6:29 ` John Barham
2008-11-15 12:19 ` Uriel
2008-11-15 7:09 ` Rogelio Serrano
2008-11-17 6:06 ` Enrico Weigelt
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From: John Barham @ 2008-11-15 6:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:34 AM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
> this is just stupifying:
>
> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1029797&cid=25761431
I see that this comment has been voted +4 "informative".
Truly a shining example of the web 2.0 wisdom of crowds at work!
John
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* Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys
2008-11-14 18:34 [9fans] those funny gnu guys erik quanstrom
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2008-11-15 6:29 ` John Barham
@ 2008-11-15 7:09 ` Rogelio Serrano
2008-11-17 6:06 ` Enrico Weigelt
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From: Rogelio Serrano @ 2008-11-15 7:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 2:34 AM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
> this is just stupifying:
>
> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1029797&cid=25761431
>
> Due to a strange quirk in the way compilers are designed, it's (MUCH) faster to build a dozen files that include every file in your project than to build thousands of files.
>
> Once build times are down to 5 - 15 minutes you don't need distributed compiling. The link step is typically the most expensive anyway, so distributed compiling doesn't get you much.
>
> sorry for the noise.
>
> - erik
>
>
I just dont get it. How does distributed linking not help?
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* Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys
2008-11-14 18:34 [9fans] those funny gnu guys erik quanstrom
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2008-11-15 7:09 ` Rogelio Serrano
@ 2008-11-17 6:06 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-11-17 6:56 ` Rogelio Serrano
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From: Enrico Weigelt @ 2008-11-17 6:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
* erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
Hi,
> this is just stupifying:
>
> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1029797&cid=25761431
gcc is a mess, right. But is there an usable alternative ?
cu
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* Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys
2008-11-17 6:06 ` Enrico Weigelt
@ 2008-11-17 6:56 ` Rogelio Serrano
2008-11-17 8:38 ` thagonzo
2008-11-18 0:44 ` sqweek
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From: Rogelio Serrano @ 2008-11-17 6:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: weigelt, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Enrico Weigelt <weigelt@metux.de> wrote:
> * erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>> this is just stupifying:
>>
>> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1029797&cid=25761431
>
> gcc is a mess, right. But is there an usable alternative ?
>
>
> cu
there is llvm
im more inclined towards hacking on ACK though
> --
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Enrico Weigelt == metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce:
> http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce
> Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions:
> http://patches.metux.de/
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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* Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys
2008-11-17 6:06 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-11-17 6:56 ` Rogelio Serrano
@ 2008-11-17 8:38 ` thagonzo
2008-11-18 0:44 ` sqweek
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From: thagonzo @ 2008-11-17 8:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
> * erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> > this is just stupifying:
> >
> > http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1029797&cid=25761431
>
> gcc is a mess, right. But is there an usable alternative ?
pcc, http://pcc.ludd.ltu.se/
>
>
> cu
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* Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys
2008-11-17 6:06 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-11-17 6:56 ` Rogelio Serrano
2008-11-17 8:38 ` thagonzo
@ 2008-11-18 0:44 ` sqweek
2008-11-18 4:23 ` Anant Narayanan
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From: sqweek @ 2008-11-18 0:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: weigelt, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Enrico Weigelt <weigelt@metux.de> wrote:
> * erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>> this is just stupifying:
>>
>> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1029797&cid=25761431
>
> gcc is a mess, right. But is there an usable alternative ?
8c! http://gsoc.cat-v.org/hg/kenc
(Anant, did you have another port as part of Glendix, or am I getting
mixed up?)
-sqweek
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* Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys
2008-11-18 0:44 ` sqweek
@ 2008-11-18 4:23 ` Anant Narayanan
2008-11-18 14:29 ` David Leimbach
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From: Anant Narayanan @ 2008-11-18 4:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
> 8c! http://gsoc.cat-v.org/hg/kenc
> (Anant, did you have another port as part of Glendix, or am I getting
> mixed up?)
Yes, 8c & 8l now work on Glendix.
Regards,
Anant
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* Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys
2008-11-18 4:23 ` Anant Narayanan
@ 2008-11-18 14:29 ` David Leimbach
2008-11-18 14:41 ` David Leimbach
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From: David Leimbach @ 2008-11-18 14:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
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On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Anant Narayanan <anant@kix.in> wrote:
> 8c! http://gsoc.cat-v.org/hg/kenc
>> (Anant, did you have another port as part of Glendix, or am I getting
>> mixed up?)
>>
>
> Yes, 8c & 8l now work on Glendix.
>
> Regards,
> Anant
>
Did you port these to ELF or did you make a loader for Plan 9 binaries?
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* Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys
2008-11-18 14:29 ` David Leimbach
@ 2008-11-18 14:41 ` David Leimbach
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From: David Leimbach @ 2008-11-18 14:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
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On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 6:29 AM, David Leimbach <leimy2k@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Anant Narayanan <anant@kix.in> wrote:
>
>> 8c! http://gsoc.cat-v.org/hg/kenc
>>> (Anant, did you have another port as part of Glendix, or am I getting
>>> mixed up?)
>>>
>>
>> Yes, 8c & 8l now work on Glendix.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Anant
>>
> Did you port these to ELF or did you make a loader for Plan 9 binaries?
>
>
> Just answered this question for myself by reading the paper at Glendix.
Nice!
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* Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys
@ 2008-11-15 4:03 erik quanstrom
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From: erik quanstrom @ 2008-11-15 4:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: leimy2k, 9fans
> > My mileage on that has varied as well :-). Most people I know couldn't
> give a rats ass about what slashdotters think, and no one I work for or with
> even looks at that site.
it must be nice to run in such elite circles. perhaps
one day when i am not employed buidling stuff people
are willing to pay for, i shall be afforded such luxury.
even if only to beg to differ.
- erik
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