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From: "qwx via 9fans" <9fans@9fans.net>
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2024 15:18:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <60D5142CC2FC047BF769D0781BD9A5E0@migadu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJQ9t7jsVKhXFLUpzaxt+QMO=jsnateLRVyATY6xHwZs+BT8ug@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri May 10 13:55:58 +0200 2024, lucio.dere@gmail.com wrote:

> I am not allowed to ignore some advice when Vic raises a much more
> interesting subject matter and does it in a perfectly justified and well
> formulated fashion - and gets accused of being an AI or at minimum playing
> one on 9fans?

So you're ignoring the answers and advice people are giving you,
including my own, because it's just not interesting enough?


> How do you know that I did not follow any of Moodley's advice, which
> incidentally I acknowledged I may not be competent to follow?

Then which of Moody's suggestions did you try, and what worked?


> None of the
> legacy people I have noted responding have been even remotely as offensive
> as those who are determined to deify 9front in legacy's place - when there
> is no effort on legacy's side to promote our particular preference, nor to
> justify such preference as being superior in any manner.
> 
> What I notice - correct me if I am mistaken - is that any comparison
> between 9front and 9legacy seems to needle a few members (very few, there
> are many names from that community that have not participated, specifically
> the ones I know hand have long respectes, ask them) of the 9front community
> that seem to take offence unless 9front is painted in a better light. I
> guess that's permissible, but please mind your manners if you choose to go
> that route, this is 9fans and 9front I believe has its own discussion
> groups.

I'm puzzled why you feel there's any kind of crusade against 9legacy
going on.  Moody was direct about problems he has had trying to
collaborate in the past, and hiro questioned some of Vic's statements,
essentially just asking "why".  I don't see where the pitchforks or
the deification is, I must be just stupid.  Can you point to specific
statements you feel are so abrasive or offensive?

Thanks,
qwx

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2024-05-08 16:06 [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front Lucio De Re
2024-05-08 16:29 ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-08 19:16   ` vester.thacker
2024-05-08 20:10     ` hiro
2024-05-08 21:52       ` vic.thacker
2024-05-09  9:05         ` wb.kloke
2024-05-09 11:05           ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-09 14:04             ` wb.kloke
2024-05-09 16:30               ` kvik
2024-05-09 14:07             ` Lucas Francesco
2024-05-09 14:13               ` ori
2024-05-10 10:58                 ` Richard Miller
2024-05-10 13:01                   ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-10 14:24                   ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-11 18:25                   ` hiro
2024-05-11 19:15                     ` Dan Cross
2024-05-11 19:34                       ` hiro
2024-05-11 19:59                         ` Dan Cross
2024-05-11 20:16                           ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-11 20:21                             ` Dan Cross
2024-05-12 13:16                             ` [9fans] one weird trick to break p9sk1 ? Richard Miller
2024-05-12 13:59                               ` tlaronde
2024-05-12 14:25                               ` hiro
2024-05-12 16:43                                 ` Richard Miller
2024-05-12 17:09                                   ` hiro
2024-05-13 10:32                                     ` Richard Miller
2024-05-13 11:00                                       ` hiro
2024-05-12 22:43                                   ` Dan Cross
2024-05-13 11:41                                     ` Richard Miller
2024-05-13 12:47                                     ` Richard Miller
2024-05-13 12:51                                       ` Charles Forsyth
2024-05-13 13:02                                         ` David du Colombier
2024-05-13 13:05                                         ` [9fans] golang dependency on python3 Richard Miller
2024-05-13 14:13                                       ` [9fans] one weird trick to break p9sk1 ? hiro
2024-05-12 15:19                               ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-12 18:19                               ` ori
2024-05-12 20:10                                 ` ori
2024-05-13 10:18                                   ` Richard Miller
2024-05-13 10:48                                     ` hiro
2024-05-13 13:48                                     ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13 15:06                                       ` Richard Miller
2024-05-12 21:15                               ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-12 18:23                         ` [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front hiro
2024-05-09 10:55         ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-17 16:16           ` Noam Preil
2024-05-18 19:08             ` [9fans] fossil Richard Miller
2024-05-09 19:50         ` [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front hiro
2024-05-10  4:44           ` [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front) vic.thacker
2024-05-10  7:33             ` Lallero
2024-05-10  8:47               ` vic.thacker
2024-05-10  9:07                 ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-10 10:21                   ` qwx via 9fans
2024-05-10 11:53                     ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-10 12:20                       ` Lallero
2024-05-10 12:38                       ` thedaemon via 9fans
2024-05-10 13:19                         ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-10 13:18                       ` qwx via 9fans [this message]
2024-05-10 13:38                       ` kvik
2024-05-10 14:54                         ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-11 16:26                           ` hiro
2024-05-11 22:12                             ` vic.thacker
2024-05-11 22:27                               ` hiro
2024-05-11 22:50                                 ` vic.thacker
2024-05-12  0:43                                   ` ori
2024-05-12  2:55                                     ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-12  7:19                                       ` plan6
2024-05-12 11:45                                         ` vic.thacker
2024-05-12 11:53                                           ` hiro
2024-05-12 11:56                                             ` vester.thacker
2024-05-12 12:18                                               ` plan6
2024-05-12 12:41                                                 ` vester.thacker
2024-05-12 13:11                                                   ` hiro
2024-05-12 13:21                                                     ` plan6
2024-05-12 13:47                                                     ` vic.thacker
2024-05-12 13:23                                                   ` qwx via 9fans
2024-05-12 15:11                                                     ` vic.thacker
2024-05-12 15:55                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-12 16:56                                                         ` vester.thacker
2024-05-12 13:11                                                 ` plan6
2024-05-12 13:09                                               ` hiro
2024-05-12 18:36                                           ` ori
2024-05-13  0:21                                             ` vester.thacker
2024-05-13  1:32                                               ` ori
2024-05-13  1:46                                                 ` Dan Cross
2024-05-13  1:56                                                   ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  3:09                                                   ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13  3:52                                                     ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  4:06                                                       ` vic.thacker
2024-05-13  4:42                                                       ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13  5:16                                                         ` clinton
2024-05-13  5:33                                                       ` ron minnich
2024-05-13  5:54                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:07                                                           ` ron minnich
2024-05-13  6:14                                                           ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  7:44                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  8:10                                                           ` sirjofri
2024-05-13  8:42                                                             ` [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9 vic.thacker
2024-05-13  9:38                                                               ` hiro
2024-05-13 11:55                                                                 ` vic.thacker
2024-05-13 12:56                                                                   ` hiro
2024-05-13 13:59                                                                     ` G B via 9fans
2024-05-13 21:01                                                                       ` vic.thacker
2024-05-13 21:17                                                                     ` vic.thacker
2024-05-14 14:12                                                                       ` B. Atticus Grobe
2024-05-14 16:02                                                                         ` vic.thacker
2024-05-14 16:30                                                                           ` B. Atticus Grobe
2024-05-14 16:39                                                                             ` arnold
2024-05-14 17:54                                                                               ` Steve Simon
2024-05-14 18:38                                                                                 ` vic.thacker
2024-05-14 19:05                                                                                 ` tlaronde
2024-05-14 19:44                                                                                   ` Wes Kussmaul
2024-05-16 11:51                                                                                     ` tlaronde
2024-05-14 23:19                                                                                   ` michaelian ennis
2024-05-15  4:46                                                                                     ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-15  5:55                                                                                       ` Clarifying Lucio's Additional Requests [Was: Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9. ] vic.thacker
2024-05-15  6:11                                                                                         ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15  6:41                                                                                           ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15  7:39                                                                                             ` plan6
2024-05-15  9:17                                                                                               ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15 10:08                                                                                                 ` sirjofri
2024-05-15 10:35                                                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-15 12:04                                                                                                   ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15  8:38                                                                                             ` sirjofri
2024-05-15  9:25                                                                                               ` Aleksandar Kuktin
2024-05-15 13:58                                                                                               ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15 14:18                                                                                                 ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 14:56                                                                                                   ` sirjofri
2024-05-15 15:04                                                                                                     ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 15:20                                                                                                       ` sirjofri
2024-05-15 15:34                                                                                                         ` Jens Staal
2024-05-15 15:26                                                                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-15 15:20                                                                                                   ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 14:52                                                                                                 ` ori
2024-05-15 13:29                                                                                             ` ori
2024-05-15  6:04                                                                                       ` [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9 Jacob Moody
2024-05-15  9:02                                                                                         ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-15  9:04                                                                                           ` hiro
2024-05-15 13:38                                                                                           ` ori
2024-05-15 14:35                                                                                           ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 15:18                                                                                             ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-15 15:20                                                                                               ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 15:39                                                                                                 ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-15 15:53                                                                                                   ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 16:10                                                                                                     ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-15 16:20                                                                                                       ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 16:51                                                                                                         ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-15 16:54                                                                                                           ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 17:00                                                                                                             ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-15 17:03                                                                                                         ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 17:36                                                                                                           ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-15 18:32                                                                                                             ` hiro
2024-05-15 22:06                                                                                                               ` Steve Simon
2024-05-15 22:17                                                                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-15 22:38                                                                                                                   ` Steve Simon
2024-05-16  9:17                                                                                                                     ` hiro
2024-05-17 16:51                                                                                                     ` Noam Preil
2024-05-17 17:37                                                                                                       ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-17 18:45                                                                                                         ` Noam Preil
2024-05-18 12:58                                                                                                           ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-17 18:11                                                                                                       ` [9fans] fossil [was: List of companies that use Plan 9.] Richard Miller
2024-05-17 18:14                                                                                                         ` Noam Preil
2024-05-17 19:14                                                                                                           ` David du Colombier
2024-05-17 19:45                                                                                                             ` wb.kloke
2024-05-18 13:53                                                                                                             ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-18 14:06                                                                                                               ` Charles Forsyth
2024-05-18 14:24                                                                                                                 ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-15 15:52                                                                                                 ` [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9 Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 15:56                                                                                                   ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 16:06                                                                                                     ` hiro
2024-05-15 16:13                                                                                                       ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 16:22                                                                                                         ` hiro
2024-05-15 16:28                                                                                                           ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 16:17                                                                                                     ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 16:21                                                                                                       ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 16:27                                                                                                         ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 15:56                                                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-15 15:28                                                                                               ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 15:57                                                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-15 16:19                                                                                                   ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 15:36                                                                                               ` hiro
2024-05-14 17:30                                                                             ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15  5:48                                                               ` John the Scott
2024-05-15  9:34                                                                 ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15 13:18                                                                 ` Wes Kussmaul
2024-05-15 13:46                                                                   ` vester.thacker
2024-05-17 16:26                                                               ` Noam Preil
2024-05-17 17:30                                                                 ` vester.thacker
2024-05-13  9:22                                                             ` [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front) ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  9:56                                                               ` vic.thacker
2024-05-13  9:57                                                               ` sirjofri
2024-05-13 10:12                                                                 ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 10:40                                                                   ` sirjofri
2024-05-13 11:01                                                                     ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 11:26                                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-13 12:08                                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 13:35                                                                           ` G B via 9fans
2024-05-13 13:50                                                                             ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 14:26                                                                           ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 14:32                                                                             ` ori
2024-05-13 14:47                                                                               ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 11:15                                                                   ` hiro
2024-05-13 11:12                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-13 15:03                                                               ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13 15:20                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-13  6:01                                                       ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:18                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:23                                                           ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:55                                                         ` tlaronde
2024-05-13  7:27                                                           ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  7:47                                                             ` tlaronde
2024-05-13  8:00                                                             ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 10:04                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-13 10:52                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 11:13                                                           ` Ori Bernstein
2024-05-13  2:16                                                 ` clinton
2024-05-13  2:33                                                   ` ori
2024-05-13  2:36                                                   ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  3:02                                                     ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  7:55                                                   ` adventures in9
2024-05-13 10:43                                                     ` hiro
2024-05-13  3:45                                                 ` vic.thacker
2024-05-13  5:45                                                   ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:04                                                     ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:22                                                       ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:21                                                     ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13  6:58                                                       ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 10:27                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-13  1:37                                               ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  2:53                                               ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  9:38                                               ` hiro
2024-05-13  9:45                                                 ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 11:11                                                   ` hiro
2024-05-13 11:56                                                     ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 14:01                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-13 14:39                                                       ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13 14:46                                                         ` ori
2024-05-13 15:04                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 15:56                                                           ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 16:41                                                             ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13 17:01                                                             ` Ori Bernstein
2024-05-13 17:59                                                               ` adventures in9
2024-05-13 18:07                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-17 11:45                                                                 ` Matt Wilbur
2024-05-13 18:04                                                             ` hiro
2024-05-17 10:06                                                               ` samuel.reader via 9fans
2024-05-17 11:09                                                                 ` ori
2024-05-17 11:11                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-17 11:32                                                                   ` plan6
2024-05-17 12:14                                                                     ` hiro
2024-05-17 13:50                                                                       ` Clout Tolstoy
2024-05-17 14:22                                                                         ` Samuel Reader via 9fans
2024-05-17 14:35                                                                           ` hiro
2024-05-17 14:58                                                                           ` Dave Eckhardt
2024-05-17 15:36                                                                           ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-17 12:31                                                                     ` qwx via 9fans
2024-05-17 12:43                                                                       ` Samuel Reader via 9fans
2024-05-17 14:14                                                                         ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-17 14:20                                                                           ` hiro
2024-05-17 14:46                                                                             ` Michael Kerpan
2024-05-17 14:59                                                                               ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-17 15:58                                                                               ` hiro
2024-05-17 16:59                                                                               ` Noam Preil
2024-05-17 17:22                                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-17 17:50                                                                                   ` fig
2024-05-17 18:03                                                                                     ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-17 20:09                                                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-17 20:06                                                                                     ` hiro
2024-05-17 23:08                                                                                       ` fig
2024-05-17 23:32                                                                                         ` hiro
2024-05-17 14:49                                                                           ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-17 15:48                                                                             ` vester.thacker
2024-05-17 16:12                                                                         ` Noam Preil
2024-05-17 12:47                                                                     ` ori
2024-05-17 15:51                                                                     ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-18  3:32                                                                       ` vester.thacker
2024-05-18  7:10                                                                         ` sirjofri
2024-05-17 12:26                                                               ` samuel.reader via 9fans
2024-05-17 12:49                                                                 ` Steve Simon
2024-05-17 15:02                                                                   ` plan6
2024-05-17 13:11                                                                 ` hiro
     [not found]                                       ` <2eaaa7c4-ea43-4c97-bf33-9a78964debb3@app.fastmail.com>
     [not found]                                         ` <4a1cb1b6-869d-4697-8d63-fd949f6be596@posixcafe.org>
2024-05-12 11:40                                           ` vic.thacker
2024-05-17 16:23               ` Noam Preil
2024-05-10  8:17           ` [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front Lucio De Re
2024-05-10  8:26             ` Charles Forsyth
2024-05-10  8:48               ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-11 16:37               ` hiro
2024-05-10 17:09             ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-11  9:45               ` David du Colombier
2024-05-11 19:51                 ` hiro
2024-05-11 19:59                   ` Dan Cross
2024-05-11 20:04                     ` hiro
2024-05-11 20:08                       ` Dan Cross
2024-05-11 20:29                         ` hiro
2024-05-11 20:58                           ` Skip Tavakkolian
2024-05-11 21:03                             ` hiro
2024-05-11 21:14                               ` Skip Tavakkolian

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