[9fans] 2nd Edition

[9fans] 2nd Edition

[Benjamin Huntsman]

I'm trying to track down a copy of the Nextstation kernel sources, but not having much luck.  Geoff Collyer informed me that Steve Jobs has personally said "no" to distribution of the sources except under the 2nd Edition license, and that therefore, my only option would be to acquire a used CD/manual set.  Are there many 2nd Edition licensees still on this list?  I really didn't want to have to post this, but since Bell Labs isn't selling these anymore, would anyone be willing to help me out?

Many thanks in advance!

-Ben

Re: [9fans] 2nd Edition

[erik quanstrom]

On Mon Aug 18 17:18:07 EDT 2008, BHuntsman@mail2.cu-portland.edu wrote:
> I'm trying to track down a copy of the Nextstation kernel sources, but not having much luck.
> Geoff Collyer informed me that Steve Jobs has personally said "no" to distribution of the sources
> except under the 2nd Edition license, and that therefore, my only option would be to acquire a
> used CD/manual set.  Are there many 2nd Edition licensees still on this list?  I really didn't want
> to have to post this, but since Bell Labs isn't selling these anymore, would anyone be willing to help me out?
>
> Many thanks in advance!

this setup reminds me of the story about the priest who, playing golf
against the orders of his superiors on sunday morning, hits a hole in one.

supposing you're successful in getting a licence and you do great things
with the next port.  who are you going to tell?

- erik

Re: [9fans] 2nd Edition

[Benjamin Huntsman]

>this setup reminds me of the story about the priest who, playing golf
>against the orders of his superiors on sunday morning, hits a hole in one.

ouch.

>supposing you're successful in getting a licence and you do great things
>with the next port.  who are you going to tell?
>
>- erik

Does the license prevent updating the port as well??

Re: [9fans] 2nd Edition

[erik quanstrom]

>>supposing you're successful in getting a licence and you do great things
>>with the next port.  who are you going to tell?
>>
>>- erik
>
> Does the license prevent updating the port as well??

didn't you already determine that the next port is unobtainable
without a 2d edition license?  doesn't that imply that your
modifications would not be useful without a 2d edition licence?

i don't mean to be a wet rag, but i think you could accomplish
a lot more with less work with some cheep embedded computers.
there are a number of arm/mips machines for under $100 that are
10x as fast as the next.  the ti beagle board seems pretty interesting.

- erik

Re: [9fans] 2nd Edition

[ron minnich]

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 9:28 AM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:

> didn't you already determine that the next port is unobtainable
> without a 2d edition license?  doesn't that imply that your
> modifications would not be useful without a 2d edition licence?
>
> i don't mean to be a wet rag, but i think you could accomplish
> a lot more with less work with some cheep embedded computers.
> there are a number of arm/mips machines for under $100 that are
> 10x as fast as the next.  the ti beagle board seems pretty interesting.

You mean like this?
Low cost 200MHz ARM single board computer, LAN, USB, UARTs, D-IO, A/D,
D/A, from $65.

    * 200MHz ARM 9 processor 100MHz system bus. 32-64MB SDRAM,4-32MB FLASH
    * 10/100 baseT Ethernet
    * 2 USB 2.0 port
    * 2 UARTs
    * A/D converter
    * D/A converter
    * Digital I/O
    * SPI expansion
http://www.embedded-computing.com/products/search/fm/id/?24840

I'm lost on the next thing too. I don't see the point.

ron

Re: [9fans] 2nd Edition

[John Waters]

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 7:58 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:

> You mean like this?
> Low cost 200MHz ARM single board computer, LAN, USB, UARTs, D-IO, A/D,
> D/A, from $65.
>
>    * 200MHz ARM 9 processor 100MHz system bus. 32-64MB SDRAM,4-32MB FLASH
>    * 10/100 baseT Ethernet
>    * 2 USB 2.0 port
>    * 2 UARTs
>    * A/D converter
>    * D/A converter
>    * Digital I/O
>    * SPI expansion
> http://www.embedded-computing.com/products/search/fm/id/?24840
>
> I'm lost on the next thing too. I don't see the point.
>
> ron
>
>

Heck, just stick one (or more) of these with a LCD panel in one of the
many dim/fuzzy N4000A displays floating around...
I bet you could have 8 SBC's, the display, a switch and power supply,
and still have room enough to stash an entire Babylon-5 DVD
collection.