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[Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks] Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 21:31:29 -0500 Message-Id: <6735DAB7-DA58-4164-A1BA-17FDDD06E619@gmail.com> References: <05C9E276-7263-45BF-B82D-432FCFCAB3DB@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <05C9E276-7263-45BF-B82D-432FCFCAB3DB@gmail.com> To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (21C66) Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 0d5e21f6-bbf3-11ee-ac13-a57efdefd859 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UNDJmMTFlMDI2NWJjZmExOC1NMjIzOTEzOGVmZDg1MjI1ODgzODRl?= =?UTF-8?B?MDkzPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M2239138efd8522588384e093:1:IEvtqc02Ri-wUGrd2l7wUmYIOtzOYDwXmseh-sKsYhs I don=E2=80=99t think you realize that you have your entire emotional perce= ption of this situation flipped.=20 This was a simple comment on why I strongly disagreed with VT=E2=80=99s req= uest for a 5th Release. I explained myself. I did not get emotional, nor am= I emotional now. What I did receive is a lot of strange emotional response= s for which I have neither time nor interest. And frankly, neither should a= nyone here.=20 Who cares if I like 9front? I=E2=80=99m not against it, nor the developers.= I=E2=80=99m simply against *joining* 9front with 9legacy/etc as a formal r= elease. I personally believe that=E2=80=99s a bad move.=20 Don=E2=80=99t agree? Ok, so what? I=E2=80=99m one dude. And yet the gaggle = of you people have tried to drag me down some psychoanalytical rabbit hole,= and waste my entire day. And because I won=E2=80=99t let you drag me into = it, and because I respond with short unemotional statements, you somehow th= ink *I=E2=80=99m* the bad guy because I won=E2=80=99t devolve into your wor= ld.=20 Geez guys seriously=E2=80=A6 go touch grass and have a life. Know what I di= d today instead of engaging with your bullshit? I did my job. I played with= my son. I cooked us an amazing dinner. We built a fort. We looked at deer = outside. We listened to music.=20 All that because I didn=E2=80=99t waste my time with long bullshit response= s that wouldn=E2=80=99t satisfy you, anyway, because I disagree with 9front= being merged. Who cares?=20 Live your life, man.=20 > On Jan 25, 2024, at 9:18=E2=80=AFPM, Michael Misch wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFHow you react to being told that you are behaving poorly, and it= =E2=80=99s neither appreciated or respected, speaks volumes. It=E2=80=99s t= elling, as you say, that your take is to get defensive and, honestly, shitt= y. Emotional maturity may be lacking in general on the list but please do n= ot posture from some imagined moral high ground. It=E2=80=99s so tiring, ju= st do better. >=20 >> On Jan 25, 2024, at 15:38, Don A. Bailey wrote: >>=20 >> It=E2=80=99s telling that you see a difference of opinion as a temper ta= ntrum. A major problem with people=E2=80=99s perspective of 9front and the = current plan 9 community, honestly. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>>> On Jan 25, 2024, at 6:35=E2=80=AFPM, Jacob Moody = wrote: >>>=20 >>> =EF=BB=BFOn 1/25/24 16:03, Don A. Bailey wrote: >>>> I=E2=80=99m aware you=E2=80=99re a member of the foundation. >>>>=20 >>>> What I want I think I=E2=80=99ve made clear. I do not want to see a fo= rmal release of Plan 9 that includes anything from the 9front project. I do= not want 9front merged with what I tongue-in-cheek term =E2=80=9Cmainline= =E2=80=9D (9legacy / 9pio updated patch sets). I=E2=80=99d rather 9front st= ay its own thing. I=E2=80=99m certain there are a lot of relevant contribut= ions within 9front but I think its place is as its own niche system. >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Who is going to do the work? Do you want to do the work? Do you think t= his temper tantrum you've been throwing on >>> this list all day is somehow going to convince anyone else to work with= /for you? >>> It's rich that you feel like you can dictate rules (no 9front code) but= have no interest in making any effort >>> yourself to make that a reality. >>>=20 >>> I await your "better" plan 9. >>>=20 >>> - moody >>>=20 ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T42f11e0265bcfa18-M22391= 38efd8522588384e093 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription