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[Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks] Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 16:16:00 -0500 Message-Id: <6947B9DC-079A-404C-A5EB-A2988BA0D3DD@gmail.com> References: In-Reply-To: To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (21C66) Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: fabdd2ca-bbc6-11ee-a2dd-2716ff8b7b06 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UNDJmMTFlMDI2NWJjZmExOC1NZDcxNmVkNTNhMmY0ODIyOGVhM2Fm?= =?UTF-8?B?OWRhPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:Md716ed53a2f48228ea3af9da:1:2oKfTOC1JwiVQqP9o62hcgNhFz9UiYKkC74ydBFGkko I=E2=80=99ve literally never even seen your name before.=20 > On Jan 25, 2024, at 3:45=E2=80=AFPM, Michael Misch wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFThis is incredibly rude and tone-deaf. Your convictions aside, d= ismissing an opinion like this is simply stonewalling, and quite frankly ob= literated whatever respect I may have started to develop for you. >=20 >> On Jan 25, 2024, at 08:44, Don Bailey wrote: >>=20 >> I'm not sure what all this was, so I didn't read most of it. >>=20 >> If 9front becomes the "mainline" 9, I will stop using 9 altogether. Both= as a user and a developer. >>=20 >> I trust the sources that come from 9legacy/9pio but I don't have any int= erest in the mess of whatever 9front is supposed to be. >>=20 >> D >>=20 >>> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 11:40=E2=80=AFAM hiro via 9fans <9fans@9fans.ne= t> wrote: >>> I am not a fan of the weird 9front split from the standard repo. I=E2= =80=99d prefer the sources to be managed by the foundation and would like t= o only receive patches through them. >>=20 >> Are you speaking as part of the foundation? As a developer? Or as a User? >>=20 >> Me, as a user, I would also appreciate if the foundation (or the real >> bell-labs unix room heritage, before the foundation existed) would >> "manage" something. for example development and continuous hosting of >> the sources server. This doesn't seem to be the case. >>=20 >> I also would appreciate the making available of patches by the >> foundation. I have no clue where their codebase is moving in the last >> few years as there was no single commit (or even simple patch via >> email) received from them. >>=20 >> I think the reason the 9front repo is continuing to stay split "off" >> is because the bell-labs servers have all been shut down. As a result >> the community has stepped in to donate their own time, money, server >> resources, sweat and blood, etc. to keep a usable plan 9 version and >> community (that is willing to stay patches) alive. >>=20 >> It is extremely unfortunate, but the pressure behind the freely >> contributed code ended up being stronger than the ability to negotiate >> with the empty halls of bell-labs. So as a result lots of community >> members are able to contribute quite effectively. >>=20 >> To me the legend of what must have been the unix room will always stay >> alive, and I will continue to use it as a benchmark to measure my own >> team's success against. But if I cannot be part of the group of cool >> kids that came out of this, I can at least have my own bell-labs, with >> blackjack and hookers. In my head. >>=20 >> Don, I wish you great technical collaborations. 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