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I hope my English is ok and I don't tread on other's=20 toes.) from my perspective it looks like this: There are multiple Plan 9 forks kor distributions). They all are=20 philosophically and technically different, but they still share patches=20 (even if many people don't know). This is fine. It would be great to have some kind of compatibility. i'm not necessarily=20 talking about binary/ABI compatibility, but network compatibility, shell=20 scripting and usability. People are actively working on it. I personally=20 have no reason to run 9legacy in my network since 9front has everything I=20 need, but other people do. The community is split into multiple different areas. Some areas are open=20 to communicate with others, some actively work together and some are very=20 "unique": you don't really hear from them in most channels, besides some=20 email here and there, but that's it. I can name #cat-v, #plan9, ##9fans (bridged to discord) and the 9fans and=20 9front mailing lists. P9f is some very special case: They have the rights to the original=20 codebase, they stare noble goals, but they seem to actively hide the fact=20 that 9front exists. Hardcore 9front people don't really care about that,=20 but the community (and I) do. I consider it really sad that 9front seems=20 so cut away from the Plan 9 history just because some people try to hide=20 it. Many people asked about mentioning 9front on the p9f page. When p9f started they told us that they focus on more important stuff=20 first (which I can totally understand). Some activities (also mentioned=20 at 9front.org/who/p9f) make me think that they just don't want 9front to=20 exist. They state they want to push all stuff in the plan 9 family (9p, plan9=20 with forks, inferno), but they seem to actively promote 9legacy (which is=20 fine, it's the most original continuation of plan9) and hide 9front=20 (which is just sad). This is especially sad since 9front is probably the=20 most modern and most active Plan 9 system currently existing. I just hope we all find a way to still respect each other and to grow as=20 a community. Misunderstandings happen as well as lots of other human=20 factors. My long 2 cents sirjofri Disclaimer: I actively used the original Plan 9 4e, Plan 9 on rpi,=20 inferno, and I am an active 9front user. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T523d6e906a17a7cc-M0a6e0= 197e217adff3f184fd7 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription