>> and last i checked government or meta-government support Ok, I do another example and maybe I'm a stupid German and I have lost the "just for fun" idea. I see that more and more people get already VERY (and announcement is on VERY!) angry about all this chaos around. I give you an example that can understand. If the electric socket would be invented today, what you believe how much of this electric plug typs would exist. I compare it with CARD-Readers. 100:1 ??? Yes sure, we would have 100:1 electric plugs today if they would have been invented today. You not understand that people get ANGRY ABOUT THAT MEGA-SHIT???? This is only one example. There are still more like electric loading of mobile phones and inkjet cartridges in 1000 variants. Do you really think people here in Europe find such things FUNNY? THEY HATE ALREADY WITHOUT END. They not want this 1000 + 1 shit anymore. What is Mini-X? It's already like: I LIKE THE MINIMUM TO WORK, JUST TO WORK AND NOTHING ELSE. Here some company chiefs already saying: We get back to engrave our e-Mails in stone if this goes forward such way. This is for you not understandable that people already get crazy at this endless chaos??? So, Prof. Tanenbaum is going to win here in Europe because this global chaos becoming endless, unbelievable, intolerable. So, is such a demand for a more unique system in Europe idiotic? HOW ELECTRIC SOCKETS where made, from chaos brothers where each one only think of their own interests and ways of earning money? I not know, but maybe in NOT EU countries they like this chaos. Here, already people tired from that chaos and therefore Minix have a very good chance together with governmental support. I not against Plan 9, I only want to explain here why a German as an EU member not so far from sympathize with the Netherland concept of Prof. Tanenbaum. And this is what he already says since years: This modern systems are not to get handled anymore: to complex, cannot be overseen anymore. As I remember he already gave a price in former time for somebody who can explain him the Windows XP-system.Nobody tried it, because CAN NOT! At the current state his statement seams to be true, that NOBODY AT THE WHOLE WORLD IS ABLE to explain the XP-system at whole. So, if someone here think he can explain him, do so. It's not difficult to come in contact with him at minix3.org. I think he is until today waiting for somebody who can tell him. So, you understand what might be the background for the interest in MINI-X here in Europe? And at the moment, I would say, the chances are high, that this will work. The companies have all the same problem: Unbelievable chaos in IT everywhere that they already get crazy on. It is not only lobbyism that stands behind Mini-X, it's some more interests in stability, understandability etc. that got lost in the other operating systems in the last decade. Am 19. März 2012 um 17:30 schrieb erik quanstrom : > If your choice on Minix is because it is backed by E.U., you should > question how long E.U. will last... silly me, i choose operating systems based on technical merit. and last i checked government or meta-government support is not an indicator of technical merit in solving my problems. - erik