From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_tbj6WZyhlN/Rb4k7686oGA)" To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> From: Christoph Paschke Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 19:53:18 +0000 Message-id: <6aa908ea-da18-620a-e214-e458d216785f@me.com> In-reply-to: <0c0703721c476ad3658d0bfbd6f7c5b4@ladd.quanstro.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012 Topicbox-Message-UUID: 6ba028aa-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --Boundary_(ID_tbj6WZyhlN/Rb4k7686oGA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable >> and last i checked government or meta-government support=0AOk, I do ano= ther example and maybe I'm a stupid German and I have lost the "just for f= un" idea.=0A=0AI see that more and more people get already VERY (and annou= ncement is on VERY!) angry about all this chaos around.=0AI give you an ex= ample that can understand. If the electric socket would be invented today,= what you believe how much of this electric plug typs would exist. I compa= re it with CARD-Readers. 100:1 ??? Yes sure, we would have 100:1 electric = plugs today if they would have been invented today.=0A=0AYou not understan= d that people get=0A=0AANGRY ABOUT THAT MEGA-SHIT????=0A=0AThis is only on= e example. There are still more like electric loading of mobile phones and= inkjet cartridges in 1000 variants. Do you really think people here in Eu= rope find such things FUNNY? THEY HATE ALREADY WITHOUT END. They not want = this 1000 + 1 shit anymore.=0A=0AWhat is Mini-X? It's already like: I LIKE= THE MINIMUM TO WORK, JUST TO WORK AND NOTHING ELSE.=0A=0AHere some compan= y chiefs already saying: We get back to engrave our e-Mails in stone if th= is goes forward such way.=0A=0AThis is for you not understandable that peo= ple already get crazy at this endless chaos???=0A=0ASo, Prof. Tanenbaum is= going to win here in Europe because this global chaos becoming endless, u= nbelievable, intolerable.=0A=0ASo, is such a demand for a more unique syst= em in Europe idiotic?=0A=0AHOW ELECTRIC SOCKETS where made, from chaos bro= thers where each one only think of their own interests and ways of earning= money? I not know, but maybe in NOT EU countries they like this chaos. He= re, already people tired from that chaos and therefore Minix have a very g= ood chance together with governmental support.=0A=0AI not against Plan 9, = I only want to explain here why a German as an EU member not so far from s= ympathize with the Netherland concept of Prof. Tanenbaum. And this is what= he already says since years: This modern systems are not to get handled a= nymore: to complex, cannot be overseen anymore. As I remember he already g= ave a price in former time for somebody who can explain him the Windows XP= -system.Nobody tried it, because CAN NOT! At the current state his stateme= nt seams to be true, that NOBODY AT THE WHOLE WORLD IS ABLE to explain the= XP-system at whole. So, if someone here think he can explain him, do so. = It's not difficult to come in contact with him at minix3.org. I think he i= s until today waiting for somebody who can tell him.=0A=0ASo, you understa= nd what might be the background for the interest in MINI-X here in Europe?= =0A=0AAnd at the moment, I would say, the chances are high, that this will= work. The companies have all the same problem: Unbelievable chaos in IT e= verywhere that they already get crazy on. It is not only lobbyism that sta= nds behind Mini-X, it's some more interests in stability, understandabilit= y etc. that got lost in the other operating systems in the last decade.=0A= =0AAm 19. M=C3=A4rz 2012 um 17:30 schrieb erik quanstrom :=0A=0A> If your choice on Minix is because it is backed by E.U., yo= u should=0A> question how long E.U. will last...=0A=0Asilly me, i choose o= perating systems based on technical merit.=0Aand last i checked government= or meta-government support=0Ais not an indicator of technical merit in so= lving my problems.=0A=0A- erik=0A=0A= --Boundary_(ID_tbj6WZyhlN/Rb4k7686oGA) Content-type: multipart/related; boundary="Boundary_(ID_fUuBEu2XgIyvQxP60MJGpA)"; type="text/html" --Boundary_(ID_fUuBEu2XgIyvQxP60MJGpA) Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
>> and last i checked government or meta-= government support
Ok, I do another example and maybe= I'm a stupid German and I have lost the "just for fun" idea.
=

I see that more and more people get= already VERY (and announcement is on VERY!) angry about all this chaos ar= ound.
I give you an example that can understand. If= the electric socket would be invented today, what you believe how much of= this electric plug typs would exist. I compare it with CARD-Readers. 100:= 1 ??? Yes sure, we would have 100:1 electric plugs today if they would hav= e been invented today.

= You not understand that people get

ANGRY ABOUT THAT MEGA-SHIT????

This is only one example. There are still more like electric loadi= ng of mobile phones and inkjet cartridges in 1000 variants. Do you really = think people here in Europe find such things FUNNY? THEY HATE ALREADY WITH= OUT END. They not want this 1000 + 1 shit anymore.

What is Mini-X= ? It's already like: I LIKE THE MINIMUM TO WORK, JUST TO WORK AND NOTHING = ELSE.

Here some company chiefs already saying: We get back to eng= rave our e-Mails in stone if this goes forward such way.
=
This is = for you not understandable that people already get crazy at this endless c= haos???

So, Prof. Tanenbaum is going to win here in Europe becaus= e this global chaos becoming endless, unbelievable, intolerable.

= So, is such a demand for a more unique system in Europe idiotic?

= HOW ELECTRIC SOCKETS where made, from chaos brothers where each one only t= hink of their own interests and ways of earning money? I not know, but may= be in NOT EU countries they like this chaos. Here, already people tired fr= om that chaos and therefore Minix have a very good chance together with go= vernmental support.

I not against Plan 9, I only want to explain = here why a German as an EU member not so far from sympathize with the Neth= erland concept of Prof. Tanenbaum. And this is what he already says since = years: This modern systems are not to get handled anymore: to complex, can= not be overseen anymore. As I remember he already gave a price in former t= ime for somebody who can explain him the Windows XP-system.Nobody tried it= , because CAN NOT! At the current state his statement seams to be true, th= at NOBODY AT THE WHOLE WORLD IS ABLE to explain the XP-system at whole. So= , if someone here think he can explain him, do so. It's not difficult to c= ome in contact with him at minix3.org. I think he is until today waiting f= or somebody who can tell him.

S= o, you understand what might be the background for the interest in MINI-X = here in Europe?

And at t= he moment, I would say, the chances are high, that this will work. The com= panies have all the same problem: Unbelievable chaos in IT everywhere that= they already get crazy on. It is not only lobbyism that stands behind Min= i-X, it's some more interests in stability, understandability etc. that go= t lost in the other operating systems in the last decade.

Am 19. M=C3=A4rz 2012 um 17:30 schrieb erik quanstrom <quanstro@qu= anstro.net>:

> If your choice on Minix is because= it is backed by E.U., you should
=0A> question how long E.U. will l= ast...
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=0Asilly me, i choose operating systems based on technica= l merit.
=0Aand last i checked government or meta-government support=0Ais not an indicator of technical merit in solving my problems.
=0A<= br>=0A- erik
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