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From: erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] threads vs forks
Date: Sat,  7 Mar 2009 08:58:42 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6cbc566e63d124cdbc8191a6060c2e6f@quanstro.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090307060057.GA65761@mero.morphisms.net>

On Sat Mar  7 01:02:31 EST 2009, jkw@eecs.harvard.edu wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 10:31:59PM -0500, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > it's interesting to note that the quoted mtbf numbers for ssds is
> > within a factor of 2 of enterprise hard drives.  if one considers that
> > one needs ~4 ssds to cover the capacity of 1 hard drive, the quoted
> > mtbf/byte is worse for ssd.
>
> That's only if you think of flash as a direct replacement for disk.

i think that's why they put them in a 2.5" form factor with a standard
SATA interface.  what are you thinking of?

> SSDs are expensive on a $/MB basis compared to disks.  The good ones

not as much as you think.  a top-drawer 15k sas drive is on the order
of 300GB and $350+.  the intel ssd is only twice as much.  if you compare
the drives supported by the big-iron vendors, intel ssd already has cost
parity.

> For short-lived data you only need go over the I/O bus twice vs. three
> times for most NVRAMs based on battery-backed DRAM.

i'm missing something here.  what are your assumptions
on how things are connected?  also, isn't there an assumption
that you don't want to be writing short-lived data to flash if
possible?

- erik



  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-07 13:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-03 11:52 hugo rivera
2009-03-03 15:19 ` David Leimbach
2009-03-03 15:32   ` Uriel
2009-03-03 16:15     ` hugo rivera
2009-03-03 15:33   ` hugo rivera
2009-03-03 18:11   ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-03-03 18:38     ` Bakul Shah
2009-03-06 18:47       ` Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-03-06 20:38         ` David Leimbach
2009-03-07  8:00           ` Bakul Shah
2009-03-07  0:21         ` Bakul Shah
2009-03-07  2:20           ` Brian L. Stuart
2009-03-03 23:08     ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-03 23:15       ` Uriel
2009-03-03 23:23         ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-03 23:54           ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-03-04  0:33             ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-04  0:54               ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-04  1:54                 ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-04  3:18                   ` James Tomaschke
2009-03-04  3:30                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-04  4:44                       ` James Tomaschke
2009-03-04  5:05                         ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-04  5:50                           ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-04  6:08                             ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-03-04 16:52                             ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-04 17:14                               ` ron minnich
2009-03-04 17:27                                 ` William Josephson
2009-03-04 18:15                                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-05  3:32                                 ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-05  3:39                                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-05  3:55                                   ` William K. Josephson
2009-03-05  4:00                                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-05  4:16                                       ` William K. Josephson
2009-03-07  3:01                                         ` William Josephson
2009-03-07  3:31                                           ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-07  6:00                                             ` William Josephson
2009-03-07 13:58                                               ` erik quanstrom [this message]
2009-03-07 14:37                                                 ` William Josephson
2009-03-07 15:05                                                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-07 15:28                                                     ` William K. Josephson
2009-03-07  5:00                                           ` lucio
2009-03-07  5:08                                             ` William Josephson
2009-03-07  5:19                                               ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-07  5:45                                                 ` [9fans] Flash William K. Josephson
2009-03-07 14:42                                                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-07 14:56                                                     ` William Josephson
2009-03-07 15:39                                                     ` Russ Cox
2009-03-07 16:34                                                       ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-07  5:24                                               ` [9fans] threads vs forks lucio
2009-03-04  5:19                   ` David Leimbach
2009-03-04  2:47                 ` John Barham
2009-03-04  5:24                 ` blstuart
2009-03-04  5:37                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-04 16:29                   ` Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-03-04 16:56                   ` john
2009-03-06  9:39             ` maht
2009-03-04  5:07     ` David Leimbach
2009-03-04  5:35     ` John Barham
2009-03-03 16:00 ` ron minnich
2009-03-03 16:28   ` hugo rivera
2009-03-03 17:31     ` ron minnich
2009-03-03 16:47 ` John Barham
2009-03-04  9:37   ` Vincent Schut
2009-03-04  9:58     ` hugo rivera
2009-03-04 10:30       ` Vincent Schut
2009-03-04 10:45         ` hugo rivera
2009-03-04 11:15           ` Vincent Schut
2009-03-04 11:33             ` hugo rivera
2009-03-04 13:23               ` Uriel
2009-03-04 14:57         ` ron minnich

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