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From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" <nemo@lsub.org>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] new compilers
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 11:17:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6cc27558710263342edab21d0db7e92a@lsub.org> (raw)

We just came back from percom, where we
gave a couple of talks about Plan B and Omero.
Perhaps surprisingly, the main problem for
people to understand what we did was not a
particular point in Plan B, but the main Plan 9 idea.

When you say "everything is a file", they get scared.
When you convince them that those "files" are not
files on disk, and that you exchange data using the fs
interface, then their main argument is:

	It's so simple that this probably does not work.

Simplicity seems to be hard to grasp. And also, most
people IMHO really forgot unix and what interfaces are
about.

Type checking was also a concern. I think they did not
understand that a data type (or xml tree) is not a guarantee
to have the system know about "semantics". They got
even more scared when I replied that the system should
best not be involved in semantics (which is up to the user).

So, sic.



             reply	other threads:[~2006-03-31  9:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-31  9:17 Fco. J. Ballesteros [this message]
2006-03-31  9:40 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-03-31  9:42 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-03-31  9:43 ` Charles Forsyth
2006-03-31  9:46 ` Charles Forsyth
2006-03-31  9:48   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-03-31  9:56     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-03-31 10:01       ` Bruce Ellis
2006-03-31 10:03       ` Charles Forsyth
2006-03-31 10:08         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-04-06 18:26         ` [9fans] " Nikita Danilov
2006-03-31 14:58       ` [9fans] " David Leimbach
2006-03-31 15:01         ` Bruce Ellis
2006-03-31 22:02 ` Taj Khattra
2006-04-03 16:21 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-03 17:17   ` Paul Lalonde
2006-04-03 19:01     ` Artem Letko
2006-04-03 19:22       ` Paul Lalonde
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-04-03 22:54 erik quanstrom
2006-03-31 14:42 erik quanstrom
2006-03-31 13:27 erik quanstrom
2006-03-31 14:47 ` Bruce Ellis
2006-03-31 12:31 Fco. J. Ballesteros
2006-03-31 12:53 ` Charles Forsyth
2006-03-31 13:23 ` Charles Forsyth
2006-03-31 14:42   ` Bruce Ellis
2006-03-30 20:14 Steve Simon
2006-03-29  1:18 erik quanstrom
2006-03-28  0:40 erik quanstrom
2006-03-28 17:52 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-03-28 18:15   ` Bakul Shah
2006-03-28 18:29     ` Sape Mullender
2006-03-28 18:52       ` LiteStar numnums
2006-03-28 19:15         ` Victor Nazarov
2006-03-29 16:33           ` Burton Samograd
2006-03-29 21:17             ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2006-03-29 21:44               ` Wes Kussmaul
2006-04-02 18:17       ` Aharon Robbins
2006-04-02 18:33         ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-02 19:47         ` lucio
2006-04-02 20:12           ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-04-02 20:16             ` LiteStar numnums
2006-04-03  4:35               ` lucio
2006-04-03  5:38                 ` George Michaelson
2006-04-03  6:45                   ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-04-03  5:38                 ` LiteStar numnums
2006-04-03  8:31                 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-04-03  9:36                   ` uriel
2006-04-03 12:50                     ` Martin C. Atkins
2006-04-03  9:39                   ` lucio
2006-04-03 13:46                 ` Brantley Coile
2006-04-03 14:30                 ` David Leimbach
2006-04-03 16:02                   ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-03 20:41                     ` Jack Johnson
2006-04-03 21:02                       ` uriel
2006-04-03 21:32                         ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-03 23:42                           ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-04  0:29                           ` Anthony Sorace
2006-04-04  5:02                             ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-04  3:15                         ` Jack Johnson
2006-04-04  3:28                         ` Jack Johnson
2006-04-04  6:31                           ` David Leimbach
2006-04-04  4:21                         ` lucio
2006-04-05  1:00                         ` Brantley Coile
2006-04-05  4:35                           ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-04 12:31                       ` rog
2006-04-03  3:17           ` plan9
2006-04-03  4:17             ` lucio
2006-03-28  0:30 erik quanstrom
2006-03-25 13:56 Russ Cox
2006-03-25 19:48 ` David Leimbach
2006-03-25 19:53   ` Burton Samograd
2006-03-25 19:59     ` David Leimbach
2006-03-25 20:02   ` Charles Forsyth
2006-03-25 21:25     ` Brantley Coile
2006-03-25 21:28     ` quanstro
2006-03-25 21:33       ` Brantley Coile
2006-03-25 22:42         ` quanstro
2006-03-25 22:46         ` quanstro
2006-03-26  1:46           ` jmk
2006-03-26  2:52             ` quanstro
2006-03-26  8:14               ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-03-26  8:41                 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-03-26 17:06                   ` Bruce Ellis
2006-03-26 17:00             ` David Leimbach
2006-03-27 17:31             ` rog
2006-03-27 19:01               ` Charles Forsyth
2006-03-27 19:15                 ` Paul Lalonde
2006-03-27 19:21                   ` Bruce Ellis
2006-03-30 17:41                   ` rog
2006-03-30 17:44                     ` Charles Forsyth
2006-03-30 18:24                       ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-03-30 17:51                     ` Christoph Lohmann
2006-03-30 17:54                       ` Sape Mullender
2006-03-30 18:30                         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-03-30 18:43                           ` Gabriel Diaz
2006-03-30 18:48                             ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-03-30 18:51                               ` Gabriel Diaz
2006-03-30 18:51                             ` Charles Forsyth
2006-03-30 21:00                           ` Bakul Shah
2006-03-30 23:16                             ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-03-30 23:23                             ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-03-31  6:16                               ` uriel
2006-03-31  7:56                           ` Bruce Ellis
2006-03-31  9:04                             ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-03-30 23:32                         ` Adrian Tritschler
2006-03-30 17:57                       ` rog
2006-03-30 18:27                         ` rog
2006-03-30 20:46                           ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-03-31  1:15                             ` Steve Simon
2006-03-31  1:24                               ` Russ Cox
2006-03-31  2:00                               ` Joel Salomon
2006-03-31  2:26                               ` Martin C. Atkins
2006-03-31  8:46                                 ` Charles Forsyth
2006-03-31  8:49                                   ` Bruce Ellis
2006-03-31 21:40                                 ` Taj Khattra
2006-03-31  4:24                             ` Jack Johnson
2006-03-31  4:33                               ` veritosproject
2006-03-30 17:58                       ` Charles Forsyth
2006-03-30 18:03                       ` jmk
2006-03-30 18:13                         ` Brantley Coile
2006-03-30 18:57                       ` Burton Samograd
2006-03-30 19:15                         ` David Leimbach
2006-03-30 19:22                           ` Charles Forsyth
2006-03-30 19:29                             ` Rob Pike
2006-03-30 19:58                               ` David Leimbach

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