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From: Jack Johnson <knapjack@gmail.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] datakit
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 12:06:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6e35c06204082212062d4e7269@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a5ef2af843f330c13c687bc089d34d@vitanuova.com>

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:07:46 +0100, rog@vitanuova.com <rog@vitanuova.com> wrote:
> > Nature doesn't like waste
>
> actually, nature doesn't particularly care about waste.
> a quote from somewhere i read recently
>
>         nature is _effective_, not necessarily _efficient_.

Actually, to be slightly more accurate, it doesn't particularly care
about anything, being both indifferent and effective.

It does effectively maximize efficiency *if* doing so either helps the
DNA/host/community/species (pick your theorist) replicate better than
its peers, or if the waste in some way hinders its replication.  There
is actually nothing preventing a natural process from increasing
"waste" so long as it effectively promotes the replication of at least
one subset of the ecosphere.  There might be rebound effects or
population crashes, sure, but if it works, it works.

The flip side of waste is that life is adept at filling every
available ecological niche, so one organism's garbage is another's
treasure, be it fecal matter, banana peel or shed shell.

Early human middens made great gardens, for this very reason, and
possibly became the first efforts at farming -- throw all your garbage
here and just wait until harvest.  If corn is more fruitful in a
midden, and middens are more plentiful when humans are more fruitful,
and humans are more fruitful when corn is plentiful, then what
incentive is there for the humans to curb their waste?  (Effectively,
disease, either from a midden too large to sustain the balance of its
hosts or from a human or corn population too dense -- or homogenous --
to effectively fight the disease, but even the disease is a
population).

-Jack

The beauty of self-replicating systems is that their competition doesn't.


  reply	other threads:[~2004-08-22 19:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-08-19 15:11 Steve Simon
2004-08-20  1:35 ` geoff
2004-08-20  1:52   ` George Michaelson
2004-08-20  2:43     ` geoff
2004-08-20  3:09       ` George Michaelson
2004-08-20  5:46         ` geoff
2004-08-21  0:33           ` ron minnich
2004-08-21  4:51             ` boyd, rounin
2004-08-21 14:22             ` Brantley Coile
2004-08-22  9:50               ` Tim Newsham
2004-08-23  2:50               ` ron minnich
2004-08-20 14:13         ` boyd, rounin
2004-08-20  9:45       ` C H Forsyth
2004-08-20 12:55         ` Long Political Rant. Was: [Re: [9fans] datakit] Dave Lukes
2004-08-20 16:45           ` Jack Johnson
2004-08-20 16:59             ` rog
2004-08-20 13:06         ` [9fans] datakit Wes Kussmaul
2004-08-20 16:51         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2004-08-20 17:07           ` rog
2004-08-22 19:06             ` Jack Johnson [this message]
2004-08-20 18:41           ` boyd, rounin
2004-08-21 16:37             ` Boris Maryshev
2004-08-21 17:19             ` Boris Maryshev
2004-08-20  3:30     ` ron minnich
2004-08-20 14:24       ` boyd, rounin
2004-08-23 15:04         ` andrey mirtchovski
2004-08-23 15:27           ` ron minnich
2004-08-20 13:48   ` boyd, rounin
2004-08-20  5:05 dmr
2004-08-20  5:35 ` George Michaelson

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