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From: "Jack Johnson" <knapjack@gmail.com>
To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] interesting potential targets for plan 9 and/or inferno
Date: Wed,  7 Mar 2007 18:19:41 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6e35c0620703071819u2615004crb5e58397b10e34b3@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <af15b3d5529ba12fce92f981217352a9@plan9.bell-labs.com>

On 3/7/07, geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com <geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com> wrote:
> > How can you get under the hood if you can't figure out how to pop it up?
>
> Umm, read the documentation?

Hahaha, I remember having this problem when I was first introduced to
Plan 9, trying to figure out how to read the wiki in acme without
being able to read the wiki in acme.  I probably still have those
first survival printouts of how to configure the network so I could
get to the online documentation without rebooting between experiments.
 But as others have noted, that was my failing, or my blinders, not
seeing or knowing how to (best) access the internal documentation
immediately after installation.

I remember in college I stumbled around VMS thanks to the help system.
 It was self-teaching, in that you could start with HELP and it would
give you suggestions, and you could explore the whole command
documentation tree from that starting point.  Heck, I learned how to
FTP from the VMS help system.

My first introduction to UNIX, that was my first question, "How do I
find out what commands I can use?"

"You can use 'man', just type 'man commandname' and it will tell you
what it does.  Like this."

"What if I don't know the names of any of the commands?"

"Oh."

Inferno's wm/man is great in this respect, in that it's very
newbie-friendly, and the very first thing it does is explain itself.
Of course, lookman is handy, too (especially in acme), but maybe
either a simple wm/man-like port or just changing the default Glenda
window layout to better jumpstart the newbie down the internal
documentation path might help.

What are the first four things you wanted to do back when you did your
first installation?

Mine were something like:

1 - explore (8 1/2 then / rio now, private namespaces, etc.)
2 - try to do something I was used to doing (checking email, which involved)
3 - configure the network
4 - read the online documentation (where's the browser?)

-J


  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-08  2:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-02-25 14:32 ron minnich
2007-02-25 14:58 ` erik quanstrom
2007-02-25 19:49   ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-02-25 20:09     ` erik quanstrom
2007-02-25 14:59 ` Martin Neubauer
2007-02-25 15:50   ` fgergo
2007-02-25 22:34     ` erik quanstrom
2007-02-26  8:49       ` fgergo
2007-02-26  9:19         ` ron minnich
2007-02-26  9:53           ` Richard Miller
2007-02-26 11:47             ` ron minnich
2007-02-26 22:18               ` cummij
2007-02-26 11:50           ` Martin Neubauer
2007-02-26 12:50           ` erik quanstrom
2007-02-26 15:08             ` ron minnich
2007-02-26 15:13               ` Lluís Batlle
2007-02-26 15:54               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-02-26 17:28                 ` Paul Lalonde
2007-02-26 18:56                   ` Joel C. Salomon
2007-02-26 18:58                 ` Charles Forsyth
2007-02-27 16:08                   ` Salva Peiró
2007-02-26 18:12               ` John Floren
2007-02-26 18:39               ` Joel C. Salomon
2007-02-26 19:05                 ` John Floren
2007-02-26 19:38                   ` David Leimbach
2007-03-06 19:33               ` bride of excession
2007-03-06 20:27                 ` ron minnich
2007-03-06 21:56                   ` matt
2007-03-06 22:37                     ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-03-06 23:08                       ` C H Forsyth
2007-03-06 23:12                         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-03-06 23:18                           ` ron minnich
2007-03-07  4:21                             ` David Leimbach
2007-03-07  3:48                     ` lucio
2007-03-07  4:13                       ` lucio
2007-03-07  4:23                       ` David Leimbach
2007-03-07  5:52                       ` Vester Thacker
2007-03-07  6:02                         ` ron minnich
2007-03-07  6:16                           ` Vester Thacker
2007-03-07  6:42                             ` ron minnich
2007-03-07  8:28                               ` Bakul Shah
2007-03-07 11:50                               ` Martin Neubauer
2007-03-07 21:21                                 ` John Osborne
2007-03-07 22:47                                   ` Markus Sonderegger
2007-03-08  0:41                                   ` Martin Neubauer
2007-03-07 21:31                                 ` Paweł Lasek
2007-03-07 13:47                               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-03-07 14:22                                 ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-07 18:05                                   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-03-07 18:38                                     ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-07 18:06                                   ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-03-07 18:30                                     ` lucio
2007-03-07 16:55                               ` Jack Johnson
2007-03-07 20:34                               ` matt
2007-03-14 16:31                               ` bride of excession
2007-03-07  6:59                             ` Bruce Ellis
2007-03-07  8:02                         ` csant
2007-03-07 10:04                           ` cej
2007-03-07 10:17                             ` C H Forsyth
2007-03-07 12:50                               ` Kenneth Long
2007-03-07 14:04                                 ` C H Forsyth
2007-03-07 18:28                                   ` Geoffrey Avila
2007-03-07 18:35                                     ` lucio
2007-03-07 16:53                           ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2007-03-07 17:18                             ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-07 17:40                               ` Jack Johnson
2007-03-07 17:43                                 ` andrey mirtchovski
2007-03-07 18:41                                   ` Robert Sherwood
2007-03-07 19:01                                     ` C H Forsyth
2007-03-07 19:03                                     ` Geoffrey Avila
2007-03-08  1:16                                     ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2007-03-08  4:59                                       ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2007-03-08 15:02                                         ` David Leimbach
2007-03-08 15:32                                           ` Martin Neubauer
2007-03-08 10:11                                       ` cej
2007-03-08 14:03                                         ` Gorka Guardiola
2007-03-08 14:09                                           ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-07 18:27                                 ` lucio
2007-03-08  0:28                               ` David Leimbach
2007-03-08  0:45                                 ` don bailey
2007-03-08  1:48                                   ` geoff
2007-03-08  2:19                                     ` Jack Johnson [this message]
2007-03-08  8:32                                       ` matt
2007-03-08 15:03                                         ` David Leimbach
2007-03-08 15:09                                           ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-08 15:24                                             ` Charles Forsyth
2007-03-08 16:33                                             ` David Leimbach
2007-03-08  2:45                                     ` Anthony Sorace
2007-03-08 19:02                                   ` Geoffrey Avila
2007-03-08 19:41                                     ` Boris Maryshev
2007-03-08 21:02                                       ` matt
2007-03-08 21:55                                         ` ron minnich
2007-03-09  4:46                                           ` lucio
2007-03-13 13:38                                             ` Harri Haataja
2007-03-09  4:17                                         ` lucio
2007-03-09 11:31                                         ` [9fans] " app
2007-03-09 15:52                                           ` David Leimbach
2007-03-09 22:08                                             ` Elbing Miss
2007-03-09 22:43                                               ` David Leimbach
2007-03-12  8:45                                   ` [9fans] " Dave Eckhardt
2007-03-12 10:06                                     ` lejatorn
2007-03-12 16:55                                       ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-03-12 17:37                                         ` lejatorn
2007-03-12 17:43                                           ` David Leimbach
2007-03-13 13:54                                     ` Harri Haataja
2007-03-13 13:59                                       ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-14  4:05                                       ` Jack Johnson
2007-03-14  4:26                                     ` Noah Evans
2007-03-14  4:33                                       ` lucio
2007-03-14  5:13                                         ` Noah Evans
2007-03-15 14:47                                           ` lucio
2007-03-15 17:57                                             ` Devon H. O'Dell
2007-03-15 18:10                                               ` lucio
2007-03-15 18:36                                                 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2007-03-15 19:28                                                   ` lucio
2007-03-16  8:20                                                     ` Harri Haataja
2007-03-16  8:31                                                       ` Uriel
2007-03-15 23:53                                             ` Noah Evans
2007-03-16  4:41                                               ` lucio
2007-03-16  8:06                                                 ` Geoffrey Avila
2007-03-16 12:33                                                 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-03-16 14:13                                                 ` C H Forsyth
2007-03-14  4:40                                       ` Jack Johnson
2007-03-14  6:06                                       ` Gabriel Díaz
2007-03-14  9:29                                         ` Charles Forsyth
2007-03-14  9:57                                       ` matt
2007-03-14 12:52                                         ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-08 18:34                                 ` Wes Kussmaul
2007-03-08 18:44                                   ` Paul Lalonde
2007-03-06 22:23                   ` Robert Hibberdine
2007-03-06 22:28                   ` John Floren
2007-03-12 12:17                     ` Harri Haataja
2007-03-06 23:17                 ` C H Forsyth
2007-03-06 23:21                   ` geoff
2007-03-07  0:48                     ` John Floren
2007-02-26 14:32           ` Joel C. Salomon
2007-02-26 15:19           ` Latchesar Ionkov
2007-03-14  5:21 YAMANASHI Takeshi
2007-03-14  9:36 ` Charles Forsyth
2007-03-14  6:15 YAMANASHI Takeshi

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