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For my laptop system I really love the (older) IBM/lenovo trackpoint. It=20 has three physical buttons below the keyboard and I can reach them easily=20 with my thumbs. I'm sure many of you know this experience. It's a different story on newer lenovo laptops (the ones with the modern=20 keyboard) where the point feels sluggish and tends to drift, which is=20 extremely annoying. Also it's deeper and it doesn't feel like you control=20 the joystick. For my desktop environment I prefer the cheapest usable wired vertical=20 mouse with scrollwheel (20 Euros)[1]. It's almost one of the first search=20 results on amazon and it looks like many brands just use the exact same=20 model from the same (chinese?) manufacturer, although there are slight=20 differences in quality and feel. I can click on the scrollwheel to create a MB2 event, which is fine for=20 me. I have to say I have used blender for years and am using Unreal=20 Engine as a job, so I'm used to using the scrollwheel. The cheap vertical mice usually have two additional buttons at the thumb=20 side in the upper part of the devices. They are mapped to=20 forward/backward, but they're irrelevant for any 9 experience. I also=20 have another wireless vertical mouse where these buttons are in the=20 bottom part. In my experience it's better to have them in the upper part since you=20 grab the mouse for dragging them around while repositioning. However,=20 it's just weird holding the mouse in the air while pressing one of the=20 buttons in the lower part. It's like pushing a button downwards while=20 keeping the device up, against gravity. However, that's just my personal=20 opinion. I barely use the device as I'm mostly in an office-like=20 situation and for mobile the trackpoint has more benefits. sirjofri [1] if you try to get one of these make sure to not get the very=20 cheapest. 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