From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <000e01cae4e0$c241f470$6401a8c0@tammyhome> From: "tammy turner" To: "9fans" <9fans@9fans.net> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 21:35:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01CAE4BF.3A826130" Subject: [9fans] three sets of windows Topicbox-Message-UUID: 0dfc3cf8-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01CAE4BF.3A826130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I recently downloaded plan 9 (last thursday) and when I attempted = install I had 3 sets of windows side by side and could not read the set = up instructions (questions) attempting to scroll left or right would not = work. I tried several times to install with no luck. Whats going on ? If = anyone can shed light on this, I would like to complete my install. Thanks Tammyt ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01CAE4BF.3A826130 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01CAE4BF.3A826130-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <000e01cae4e0$c241f470$6401a8c0@tammyhome> References: <000e01cae4e0$c241f470$6401a8c0@tammyhome> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 10:24:19 +0100 Message-ID: From: Robert Raschke To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555a15a7c005004852057be Subject: Re: [9fans] three sets of windows Topicbox-Message-UUID: 0e517ad8-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --00032555a15a7c005004852057be Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:35 AM, tammy turner wrote: > Hi I recently downloaded plan 9 (last thursday) and when I attempted > install I had 3 sets of windows side by side and could not read the set up > instructions (questions) attempting to scroll left or right would not work. > I tried several times to install with no luck. Whats going on ? If anyone > can shed light on this, I would like to complete my install. > Thanks Tammyt > This sounds like your video setting is not quite correct. I am assuming you essentially got a third of the screen triplicated across your display. I saw something like that with installing onto VMWare a long while back. You can try and set the video to be VESA, monitor=vesa in the plan9.ini file, I think. Haven't looked at that in ages. But maybe someone else on the list can point out more details. Robby --00032555a15a7c005004852057be Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:35 AM, tammy turne= r <tammyt@win= dstream.net> wrote:

Hi I recently downloaded plan 9 (last = thursday) and=20 when I attempted install I had 3 sets of windows side by side and could not= read=20 the set up instructions (questions) attempting to scroll left or right woul= d not=20 work. I tried several times to install with no luck. Whats going on ? If an= yone=20 can shed light on this, I would like to complete my install.

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This sounds like your video setting is not quite cor= rect. I am assuming you essentially got a third of the screen triplicated a= cross your display. I saw something like that with installing onto VMWare a= long while back.

You can try and set the video to be VESA, monitor=3Dvesa in the plan9.i= ni file, I think. Haven't looked at that in ages. But maybe someone els= e on the list can point out more details.

Robby

--00032555a15a7c005004852057be-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 08:42:26 +0000 From: Bill Marcum Message-ID: References: <000e01cae4e0$c241f470$6401a8c0@tammyhome> Subject: Re: [9fans] three sets of windows Topicbox-Message-UUID: 0ee9fe34-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 2010-04-26, tammy turner wrote: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01CAE4BF.3A826130 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hi I recently downloaded plan 9 (last thursday) and when I attempted = > install I had 3 sets of windows side by side and could not read the set = > up instructions (questions) attempting to scroll left or right would not = > work. I tried several times to install with no luck. Whats going on ? If = > anyone can shed light on this, I would like to complete my install. > Thanks Tammyt The three windows side by side are the display of the program "acme". You can place the mouse pointer in the middle window and use the page-up and page-down keys. Or put the mouse pointer in the scrollbar on the left. The scrollbar works like very old versions of xterm; button 1 scrolls up, 3 scrolls down, or you can drag the slider with button 2. If you have a 2-button mouse, try shift-button1. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-Id: <4BD6A973020000CC00027CD7@wlgw07.wlu.ca> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:08:03 -0400 From: "Karljurgen Feuerherm" To: <9fans@9fans.net> References: <000e01cae4e0$c241f470$6401a8c0@tammyhome> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: [9fans] three sets of windows Topicbox-Message-UUID: 0f9437fa-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 I'm curious about the 3-button mouse... (haven't seen one for a long = while, but seems like it might be worth getting one.) are there restrictions on it? i.e. should not be USB, or whatnot? any = other details one should know? (I'm in a similar position to our friend Bill, here. Still working on a = clean installation.) thanks K >>> Bill Marcum 27/04/2010 4:42:26 am >>> On 2010-04-26, tammy turner wrote: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=3D_NextPart_000_000B_01CAE4BF.3A826130 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=3D"iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hi I recently downloaded plan 9 (last thursday) and when I attempted =3D > install I had 3 sets of windows side by side and could not read the set = =3D > up instructions (questions) attempting to scroll left or right would not = =3D > work. I tried several times to install with no luck. Whats going on ? If = =3D > anyone can shed light on this, I would like to complete my install. > Thanks Tammyt=20 The three windows side by side are the display of the program "acme".=20 You can place the mouse pointer in the middle window and use the page-up=20= and page-down keys. Or put the mouse pointer in the scrollbar on the=20 left. The scrollbar works like very old versions of xterm; button 1=20 scrolls up, 3 scrolls down, or you can drag the slider with button 2. = If=20 you have a 2-button mouse, try shift-button1. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:20:41 -0400 To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <8e9d56ff76e9c5bc8668378ad71f34ae@coraid.com> In-Reply-To: <4BD6A973020000CC00027CD7@wlgw07.wlu.ca> References: <000e01cae4e0$c241f470$6401a8c0@tammyhome> <4BD6A973020000CC00027CD7@wlgw07.wlu.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] three sets of windows Topicbox-Message-UUID: 0f9a6e7c-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Tue Apr 27 09:13:53 EDT 2010, kfeuerherm@wlu.ca wrote: > I'm curious about the 3-button mouse... (haven't seen one for a long while, but seems like it might be worth getting one.) > > are there restrictions on it? i.e. should not be USB, or whatnot? any other details one should know? > > (I'm in a similar position to our friend Bill, here. Still working on a clean installation.) http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:item.detail?GroupID=38&Code=31P7405¤t-category-id=E6480EC4EE7D42A79F5F1C0940B163AB&&hide_menu_area=yes - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-Id: <4BD6C62A020000CC00027D3F@wlgw07.wlu.ca> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:10:34 -0400 From: "Karljurgen Feuerherm" To: <9fans@9fans.net> References: <000e01cae4e0$c241f470$6401a8c0@tammyhome> <4BD6A973020000CC00027CD7@wlgw07.wlu.ca> <8e9d56ff76e9c5bc8668378ad71f34ae@coraid.com> In-Reply-To: <8e9d56ff76e9c5bc8668378ad71f34ae@coraid.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: [9fans] three sets of windows Topicbox-Message-UUID: 0fa019c6-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Thank-you. (And here I thought I'd spare you by asking the list for a = change!) Much appreciated, as always. K >>> erik quanstrom 27/04/2010 10:20:41 am >>> On Tue Apr 27 09:13:53 EDT 2010, kfeuerherm@wlu.ca wrote: > I'm curious about the 3-button mouse... (haven't seen one for a long = while, but seems like it might be worth getting one.) >=20 > are there restrictions on it? i.e. should not be USB, or whatnot? any = other details one should know? >=20 > (I'm in a similar position to our friend Bill, here. Still working on a = clean installation.) http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/cata= log.workflow:item.detail?GroupID=3D38&Code=3D31P7405¤t-category-id=3D= E6480EC4EE7D42A79F5F1C0940B163AB&&hide_menu_area=3Dyes=20 - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:54:19 -1000 From: Tim Newsham To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: <4BD6A973020000CC00027CD7@wlgw07.wlu.ca> Message-ID: References: <000e01cae4e0$c241f470$6401a8c0@tammyhome> <4BD6A973020000CC00027CD7@wlgw07.wlu.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [9fans] three sets of windows Topicbox-Message-UUID: 102f981c-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > I'm curious about the 3-button mouse... (haven't seen one for a long > while, but seems like it might be worth getting one.) you might have seen one and not even known it. Many mice with a scroll wheel support pressing the scroll wheel as a 3rd button. its not nearly as pleasant as a real button, but it "works". > K Tim Newsham | www.thenewsh.com/~newsham | thenewsh.blogspot.com From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <000e01cae4e0$c241f470$6401a8c0@tammyhome> <4BD6A973020000CC00027CD7@wlgw07.wlu.ca> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 19:16:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: John Floren To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] three sets of windows Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1036d014-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Tim Newsham wrote: >> I'm curious about the 3-button mouse... (haven't seen one for a long >> while, but seems like it might be worth getting one.) > > you might have seen one and not even known it. =C2=A0Many mice > with a scroll wheel support pressing the scroll wheel as a 3rd > button. =C2=A0its not nearly as pleasant as a real button, but it "works"= . > Using a clickable scroll wheel nearly cripples my fingers; have any 9fans tried this mouse? http://www.amazon.com/3-Button-Optical-USB-Mouse-black/dp/B000FLUSEM/ref=3D= cm_cr_pr_product_top My netbook's trackpad is unacceptable for Plan 9 use, and since it doesn't have a PS/2 port I can't plug in one of my old Logitechs. John From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <000e01cae4e0$c241f470$6401a8c0@tammyhome> <4BD6A973020000CC00027CD7@wlgw07.wlu.ca> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 00:22:29 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Devon H. O'Dell" To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] three sets of windows Topicbox-Message-UUID: 103cf78c-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 2010/4/28 John Floren : > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Tim Newsham wrote: >>> I'm curious about the 3-button mouse... (haven't seen one for a long >>> while, but seems like it might be worth getting one.) >> >> you might have seen one and not even known it. =A0Many mice >> with a scroll wheel support pressing the scroll wheel as a 3rd >> button. =A0its not nearly as pleasant as a real button, but it "works". >> > > Using a clickable scroll wheel nearly cripples my fingers; have any > 9fans tried this mouse? > http://www.amazon.com/3-Button-Optical-USB-Mouse-black/dp/B000FLUSEM/ref= =3Dcm_cr_pr_product_top > > My netbook's trackpad is unacceptable for Plan 9 use, and since it > doesn't have a PS/2 port I can't plug in one of my old Logitechs. I've been using http://www.thehumansolution.com/evoluent.html recently, and I do love it. --dho > John > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Patrick Kelly" To: "'Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs'" <9fans@9fans.net> References: <000e01cae4e0$c241f470$6401a8c0@tammyhome> <4BD6A973020000CC00027CD7@wlgw07.wlu.ca> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 19:48:56 -0400 Message-ID: <000901cae664$346ac110$9d404330$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] three sets of windows Topicbox-Message-UUID: 104eced0-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > > My netbook's trackpad is unacceptable for Plan 9 use, and since it > > doesn't have a PS/2 port I can't plug in one of my old Logitechs. > > I've been using http://www.thehumansolution.com/evoluent.html > recently, and I do love it. How the hell is a shape patentable? From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-Id: <4BD742EA020000CC00027E7B@wlgw07.wlu.ca> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 20:02:50 -0400 From: "Karljurgen Feuerherm" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@9fans.net> References: <000e01cae4e0$c241f470$6401a8c0@tammyhome> <4BD6A973020000CC00027CD7@wlgw07.wlu.ca> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: [9fans] three sets of windows Topicbox-Message-UUID: 10555f20-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Could be. Had a 3-button mouse long ago... Anyway, no matter. Have ordered one now. Thanks to all! K >>> Tim Newsham 27/04/2010 6:54:19 pm >>> > I'm curious about the 3-button mouse... (haven't seen one for a long=20 > while, but seems like it might be worth getting one.) you might have seen one and not even known it. Many mice with a scroll wheel support pressing the scroll wheel as a 3rd button. its not nearly as pleasant as a real button, but it "works". > K Tim Newsham | www.thenewsh.com/~newsham | thenewsh.blogspot.com From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:38:09 -0600 To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@9fans.net>, "Patrick Kelly" From: "EBo" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901cae664$346ac110$9d404330$@gmail.com> References: <000e01cae4e0$c241f470$6401a8c0@tammyhome> <4BD6A973020000CC00027CD7@wlgw07.wlu.ca> , Subject: Re: [9fans] three sets of windows Topicbox-Message-UUID: 105bd058-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 off-topic... > How the hell is a shape patentable? Easy. Just like when I used to clip a playing card to a bicycle frame with a clothespin to make noise. This was apparently finally patented in 2000 -- Sound generating device for spoked wheel (US Patent 6039338 issued 03/21/2000) I'm digging around the the Australian patent for the spoked wheel (which I think came out in 2000). Sorry I did not book mark it when I found it. Or how about IBM's patent application for Outsourcing of Services (see http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/29/1734209) There are some REALLY BAD patents out there... EBo -- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 07:59:44 -0400 From: jake@9srv.net Message-ID: <47c8c299b4e06c49fc70da1ee9c343ff@9srv.net> In-Reply-To: References: <000e01cae4e0$c241f470$6401a8c0@tammyhome> <4BD6A973020000CC00027CD7@wlgw07.wlu.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] three sets of windows Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1076992e-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > you might have seen one and not even known it. Many mice > with a scroll wheel support pressing the scroll wheel as a 3rd > button. its not nearly as pleasant as a real button, but it "works". Sorry for the nitpicking, but isn't the scroll wheel usually button 2? It has been on all of my mice. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 08:02:03 -0400 From: jake@9srv.net Message-ID: <005aa6a55a5ed4cc758794bb44e2f35e@9srv.net> In-Reply-To: <000901cae664$346ac110$9d404330$@gmail.com> References: <000e01cae4e0$c241f470$6401a8c0@tammyhome> <4BD6A973020000CC00027CD7@wlgw07.wlu.ca> <000901cae664$346ac110$9d404330$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] three sets of windows Topicbox-Message-UUID: 10836ece-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 >> > My netbook's trackpad is unacceptable for Plan 9 use, and since it >> > doesn't have a PS/2 port I can't plug in one of my old Logitechs. >> >> I've been using http://www.thehumansolution.com/evoluent.html >> recently, and I do love it. > > How the hell is a shape patentable? This is America, anything is patentable. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 08:07:17 -0400 To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005aa6a55a5ed4cc758794bb44e2f35e@9srv.net> References: <000e01cae4e0$c241f470$6401a8c0@tammyhome> <4BD6A973020000CC00027CD7@wlgw07.wlu.ca> <000901cae664$346ac110$9d404330$@gmail.com> <005aa6a55a5ed4cc758794bb44e2f35e@9srv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] three sets of windows Topicbox-Message-UUID: 108c0cdc-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > > How the hell is a shape patentable? > This is America, anything is patentable. and this is 9fans, not slashdot, which is three doors down and on the right. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-Id: <5CF6FCDD-FE09-492A-A9DC-7F06A5B36044@fastmail.fm> From: Ethan Grammatikidis To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:26:32 +0100 References: <000e01cae4e0$c241f470$6401a8c0@tammyhome> <4BD6A973020000CC00027CD7@wlgw07.wlu.ca> Subject: Re: [9fans] three sets of windows Topicbox-Message-UUID: 10b51668-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 28 Apr 2010, at 00:16, John Floren wrote: > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Tim Newsham wrote: >>> I'm curious about the 3-button mouse... (haven't seen one for a long >>> while, but seems like it might be worth getting one.) >> >> you might have seen one and not even known it. Many mice >> with a scroll wheel support pressing the scroll wheel as a 3rd >> button. its not nearly as pleasant as a real button, but it "works". >> > > Using a clickable scroll wheel nearly cripples my fingers; have any > 9fans tried this mouse? > http://www.amazon.com/3-Button-Optical-USB-Mouse-black/dp/B000FLUSEM/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top Some scroll wheels are all right and it's nice to have them. I use this quite happily, although you wouldn't want to use it if you have big fingers. http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=589 it's funny what mice are good and what are bad for plan 9. > > My netbook's trackpad is unacceptable for Plan 9 use, and since it > doesn't have a PS/2 port I can't plug in one of my old Logitechs. > > John > -- Simplicity does not precede complexity, but follows it. -- Alan Perlis From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <000901cae664$346ac110$9d404330$@gmail.com> References: <000e01cae4e0$c241f470$6401a8c0@tammyhome> <4BD6A973020000CC00027CD7@wlgw07.wlu.ca> <000901cae664$346ac110$9d404330$@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:35:25 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Devon H. O'Dell" To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [9fans] three sets of windows Topicbox-Message-UUID: 10ba5a10-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 2010/4/28 Patrick Kelly : >> > My netbook's trackpad is unacceptable for Plan 9 use, and since it >> > doesn't have a PS/2 port I can't plug in one of my old Logitechs. >> >> I've been using http://www.thehumansolution.com/evoluent.html >> recently, and I do love it. > > How the hell is a shape patentable? Things come in various shapes, and things can be patented, so there you go. It's part of the patent. In any case, it's not horribly expensive (compared to many other ergonomic and other sorts of mice), has adjustable DPI, has 5 buttons (7 if you count scroll up / down), and is very comfortable. --dho From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Patrick Kelly" To: "'Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs'" <9fans@9fans.net> References: <000e01cae4e0$c241f470$6401a8c0@tammyhome> <4BD6A973020000CC00027CD7@wlgw07.wlu.ca> <000901cae664$346ac110$9d404330$@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:26:06 -0400 Message-ID: <000001cae6de$be2cb690$3a8623b0$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] three sets of windows Topicbox-Message-UUID: 10d39764-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 I use a Bamboo Fun http://www.wacom.com/bamboo/bamboo_fun.php on my = Windows machine, and I love it. There are Linux drivers for the entire Bamboo line, so I'm assuming = there's an available specification, if you're feeling ambitions and want = something more like your laptops track pad. > > How the hell is a shape patentable? >=20 > Things come in various shapes, and things can be patented, so there = you go. It's part of the patent. Still, shapes and lines are the basic components of art, and last time I = checked the arts weren't patentable. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <705098899b47849dbc607dd999b7028d@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 16:40:23 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <000001cae6de$be2cb690$3a8623b0$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] three sets of windows Topicbox-Message-UUID: 10de25b2-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > if you're feeling ambitions and want something more like your laptops track pad. Surely you jest? Something that repositions the cursor to an uninteresting location in the middle of a document by simply hovering one's thumb in the vicinity of the space bar? Or am I just particularly cursed with this? ++L From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-Id: <9931676A-1077-4F09-BDAA-9A9F5961926D@fastmail.fm> From: Ethan Grammatikidis To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: <705098899b47849dbc607dd999b7028d@proxima.alt.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 16:05:45 +0100 References: <705098899b47849dbc607dd999b7028d@proxima.alt.za> Subject: Re: [9fans] three sets of windows Topicbox-Message-UUID: 10e3f168-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 28 Apr 2010, at 15:40, lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote: >> if you're feeling ambitions and want something more like your >> laptops track pad. > > Surely you jest? Something that repositions the cursor to an > uninteresting location in the middle of a document by simply hovering > one's thumb in the vicinity of the space bar? Or am I just > particularly cursed with this? I expect it's a trackpad quality kind of thing. On the ancient iBook I have, in System Preferences there's a checkbox labelled "Prevent accidental trackpad input." I don't know quite what it does or how it does it, but it works very well for me. > > ++L > > -- Simplicity does not precede complexity, but follows it. -- Alan Perlis From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Patrick Kelly" To: , "'Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs'" <9fans@9fans.net> References: <000001cae6de$be2cb690$3a8623b0$@gmail.com> <705098899b47849dbc607dd999b7028d@proxima.alt.za> In-Reply-To: <705098899b47849dbc607dd999b7028d@proxima.alt.za> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 11:08:09 -0400 Message-ID: <000101cae6e4$9e68a2f0$db39e8d0$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] three sets of windows Topicbox-Message-UUID: 10f0b100-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > > if you're feeling ambitions and want something more like your laptops track pad. > > Surely you jest? Something that repositions the cursor to an uninteresting location in the middle of a document by simply hovering > one's thumb in the vicinity of the space bar? Or am I just particularly cursed with this? Well the Bamboo Touch, which is the smallest model, is 2-4 times larger than the track pads found on laptops. It was just a suggestion. Don't mice achieve the same uninteresting thing? > ++L From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Gary V. Vaughan" In-Reply-To: <9931676A-1077-4F09-BDAA-9A9F5961926D@fastmail.fm> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 22:47:06 +0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <705098899b47849dbc607dd999b7028d@proxima.alt.za> <9931676A-1077-4F09-BDAA-9A9F5961926D@fastmail.fm> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Cc: lucio@proxima.alt.za Subject: Re: [9fans] three sets of windows Topicbox-Message-UUID: 10f8340c-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 28 Apr 2010, at 22:05, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > On 28 Apr 2010, at 15:40, lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote: >>> if you're feeling ambitions and want something more like your = laptops track pad. >>=20 >> Surely you jest? Something that repositions the cursor to an >> uninteresting location in the middle of a document by simply hovering >> one's thumb in the vicinity of the space bar? Or am I just >> particularly cursed with this? >=20 > I expect it's a trackpad quality kind of thing. On the ancient iBook I = have, in System Preferences there's a checkbox labelled "Prevent = accidental trackpad input." I don't know quite what it does or how it = does it, but it works very well for me. It did that simply by enforcing a minimum time (maybe around 1000ms) = from the last key press before interpreting any input from the trackpad. = I found it quite annoying since my trackpad felt like it needed a = sturdy poke to make it responsive again if I wanted to move the cursor = around while editing something. My MBP, and I believe all the newer Apple laptops, no longer offer that = option, but they work all the better for it. I don't know quite how it = works in this incarnation, but I neither move my cursor accidentally nor = feel like poking the trackpad until it comes back to life nowadays :) = Additionally the area is surprisingly large now that no space is devoted = to a button, and the whole trackpad can be clicked. Sadly, when I upgraded Parallels my Plan9 VM stopped booting, and I = haven't bothered to try and get it going again since I mostly work with = my laptop balanced on my lap so a physical mouse is not at all useful... = and I haven't found a comfortable way of mousechording with an = all-in-one trackpad/button :( Surely I'm not the only one that dislikes = separate mice? Cheers, --=20 Gary V. Vaughan = From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <705098899b47849dbc607dd999b7028d@proxima.alt.za> <9931676A-1077-4F09-BDAA-9A9F5961926D@fastmail.fm> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 18:19:22 +0200 Message-ID: From: hiro <23hiro@googlemail.com> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] three sets of windows Topicbox-Message-UUID: 10fe4658-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 I remember something which just looked at the size of the pressed area to determine whether it is your palm or finger. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-Id: <3C723F79-9FE6-4A99-8CB0-F8CD94692F93@gmail.com> From: Gorka Guardiola To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 7E18) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 18:57:34 +0200 References: <705098899b47849dbc607dd999b7028d@proxima.alt.za> <9931676A-1077-4F09-BDAA-9A9F5961926D@fastmail.fm> Subject: Re: [9fans] three sets of windows Topicbox-Message-UUID: 11043996-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 You can use keys as mouse buttons. I still prefer a separate mouse but sometimes it is not an option. - Curiosity sKilled the cat G. On Apr 28, 2010, at 5:47 PM, "Gary V. Vaughan" wrote: > On 28 Apr 2010, at 22:05, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: >> On 28 Apr 2010, at 15:40, lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote: >>>> if you're feeling ambitions and want something more like your >>>> laptops track pad. >>> >>> Surely you jest? Something that repositions the cursor to an >>> uninteresting location in the middle of a document by simply >>> hovering >>> one's thumb in the vicinity of the space bar? Or am I just >>> particularly cursed with this? >> >> I expect it's a trackpad quality kind of thing. On the ancient >> iBook I have, in System Preferences there's a checkbox labelled >> "Prevent accidental trackpad input." I don't know quite what it >> does or how it does it, but it works very well for me. > > It did that simply by enforcing a minimum time (maybe around 1000ms) > from the last key press before interpreting any input from the > trackpad. I found it quite annoying since my trackpad felt like it > needed a sturdy poke to make it responsive again if I wanted to move > the cursor around while editing something. > > My MBP, and I believe all the newer Apple laptops, no longer offer > that option, but they work all the better for it. I don't know > quite how it works in this incarnation, but I neither move my cursor > accidentally nor feel like poking the trackpad until it comes back > to life nowadays :) Additionally the area is surprisingly large now > that no space is devoted to a button, and the whole trackpad can be > clicked. > > Sadly, when I upgraded Parallels my Plan9 VM stopped booting, and I > haven't bothered to try and get it going again since I mostly work > with my laptop balanced on my lap so a physical mouse is not at all > useful... and I haven't found a comfortable way of mousechording > with an all-in-one trackpad/button :( Surely I'm not the only one > that dislikes separate mice? > > Cheers, > -- > Gary V. Vaughan From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 07:57:51 -1000 From: Tim Newsham To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: <47c8c299b4e06c49fc70da1ee9c343ff@9srv.net> Message-ID: References: <000e01cae4e0$c241f470$6401a8c0@tammyhome> <4BD6A973020000CC00027CD7@wlgw07.wlu.ca> <47c8c299b4e06c49fc70da1ee9c343ff@9srv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [9fans] three sets of windows Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1185d4ce-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Sorry for the nitpicking, but isn't the scroll wheel usually button 2? > It has been on all of my mice. Right, but left and right click are 1 and 3, no? Tim Newsham | www.thenewsh.com/~newsham | thenewsh.blogspot.com From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:51:14 -0400 From: Jacob Todd To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Message-ID: <20100428195113.GA20831@zoidberg.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> References: <000e01cae4e0$c241f470$6401a8c0@tammyhome> <4BD6A973020000CC00027CD7@wlgw07.wlu.ca> <47c8c299b4e06c49fc70da1ee9c343ff@9srv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: [9fans] three sets of windows Topicbox-Message-UUID: 11c58538-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 07:57:51AM -1000, Tim Newsham wrote: > Right, but left and right click are 1 and 3, no? >=20 They are. --=20 I am a man who does not exist for others. --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkvYkbEACgkQdg8JTBUsaI6epgCfbWOGZdcEXzy8i2b6qu1DmZbT qOAAmwbZj8h+UcY0mMmtfhHcq1513IOS =FWuZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 19:49:56 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <8e9d56ff76e9c5bc8668378ad71f34ae@coraid.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] IL experiment Topicbox-Message-UUID: 15054940-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Erik, I have a few syntax adjustments to /sys/src/9/ip/il.c that may interest you, can I mail you the diffs from the version in /n/sources/extra? Also, it seems a one-line adjustment to /sys/src/cmd/ndb/cs.c suffices to bring IL resolution back, I can mail you those diffs too. In return, I've lost the call argument for telnet you posted recently, do you mind repeating it? I'd like to check that I have a working IL implementation and I'm curious about my new Internet connection. To be honest, I expect it to suck, but it is fast and cheeaper than my previous one. ++L From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 19:56:35 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] IL experiment Topicbox-Message-UUID: 15116fa4-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Erik, I have a few syntax adjustments... Oops! Apologies to all. ++L