From: erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] critique of sockets API
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:24:47 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <71551546922daa465e9934a8b3f4b90e@quanstro.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47FB4BC290D45EE2F6D427EB@[192.168.1.2]>
> I might as well repeat myself: choice of strategy depends on the
> application. Given choice programmers can decide on which strategy or
> combination of strategies works best. Without choice, well, they will just
> live with what's available.
this is a very deep philosophical divide between windows and
systems like plan 9, and research unix. the approach the labs
took was to provide a minimal set of primatives from which
one can build what's needed. compare just r?fork and exec
with all the spawn variants windows has.
i think you're trying to argue that — a priori — choice is good?
but given that plan 9 is about having a system that's easy
to understand and modify, i would think that it would be
tough to demonstrate that asyncronous i/o or callbacks
could make the system (or even applications) simplier.
i doubt that they would make the system more efficient,
either.
do you have examples that demonstrate either?
> One Right Way" always leaves open the question of whether a different
> choice of strategy on the same platform, were a different choice available,
> would have yielded better results.
clearly if that position is accepted, computer science is a
solved problem; we should all put our heads down and just
code up the accepted wisdom.
that's not the position i subscribe to. and since plan 9
is simple and easy to change, it makes an ideal system
for someone who wants to try new things.
- erik
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-06-11 18:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <b0a72b5826eb44300d3603f585859910@quanstro.net>
2009-06-11 14:54 ` Eris Discordia
2009-06-11 18:24 ` erik quanstrom [this message]
2009-06-11 21:21 ` Eris Discordia
2009-06-11 23:41 ` erik quanstrom
2009-06-12 4:32 ` Paul Lalonde
2009-06-12 7:19 ` Eris Discordia
[not found] ` <D9FE8C51EE2D568C05E555DD@192.168.1.2>
2009-06-11 23:34 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-06-12 7:21 ` Eris Discordia
[not found] <mailman.1.1244808001.26495.9fans@9fans.net>
2009-06-13 1:39 ` Bhanu Nagendra Pisupati
2009-06-11 12:16 erik quanstrom
[not found] <mailman.1.1244635201.19660.9fans@9fans.net>
2009-06-10 23:46 ` Bhanu Nagendra Pisupati
[not found] <mailman.1007.1244590421.1513.9fans@9fans.net>
2009-06-10 22:50 ` Bhanu Nagendra Pisupati
2009-06-11 12:34 ` erik quanstrom
[not found] <mailman.998.1244574121.1513.9fans@9fans.net>
2009-06-09 23:20 ` Bhanu Nagendra Pisupati
2009-06-09 23:24 ` J.R. Mauro
2009-06-09 23:33 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-06-10 3:33 ` Gary Wright
2009-06-10 0:07 ` erik quanstrom
2009-06-10 0:34 ` erik quanstrom
2009-06-11 7:07 ` Eris Discordia
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-06-09 18:49 Bhanu Nagendra Pisupati
2009-06-09 18:59 ` erik quanstrom
2009-06-09 22:11 ` Russ Cox
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