From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <720e924c84f37c7674cf41f2e32ccf6d@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] paper ``Rio, the Plan 9 Window System'' From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-gugxjmlsgnuybmfgdqtzroylgb" Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:19:19 +0900 Topicbox-Message-UUID: d937abf2-eaca-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-gugxjmlsgnuybmfgdqtzroylgb Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If Rob won't write User's manual of rio, fs etc, why someone in Vitanuova can write one, and sell the books of manuals with it. I say this, because Plan 9 has two aspects to be considered, one is a target for OS reseachers, and the other is a clearer base for someone, probably concerning with education? to use it for applications. Vitanuova, probably, targetting the latter, I suppose. Kenji --upas-gugxjmlsgnuybmfgdqtzroylgb Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([192.168.1.3]) by diabase; Thu Aug 8 22:10:52 JST 2002 Received: from elmo.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (elmo.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.103.2]) by granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14853 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:55:00 +0900 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by elmo.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-02040219) with ESMTP id WAA07837 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:10:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A51C419A06; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from doppio.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 920B8199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5a30d2766af014c4138d00bedc371656@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] paper ``Rio, the Plan 9 Window System'' From: C H Forsyth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-scdppchwlallnbnzkeeyksyhfk" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:04:37 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-scdppchwlallnbnzkeeyksyhfk Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it might be worth noting that another paper, ``A Concurrent Window System'', is helpful in understanding the underlying model and to a useful extent the internal structure of rio and its use of Channels (thread(2)). --upas-scdppchwlallnbnzkeeyksyhfk Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu> Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for forsyth@vitanuova.com id 1028811045:20:11716:102; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 12:50:45 GMT Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121336; 8 Aug 2002 12:50 GMT Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9EE8219A02; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 7820719A02 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <912418b08142b7626f8a45c18bb299ae@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] paper ``Rio, the Plan 9 Window System'' From: "rob pike, esq." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:49:50 -0400 Rio never seemed enough of an advance to be worth a paper. The 8 paper describes the most important property, providing a window system as a file server. The only novel feature of rio is the way it avoids multiplexing the graphics device, letting the driver do that job. (8 muxed all graphics ops itself.) But other window managers can do that, so it's not worth a paper either. -rob --upas-scdppchwlallnbnzkeeyksyhfk-- --upas-gugxjmlsgnuybmfgdqtzroylgb--