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[Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks] Content-Language: en-US To: 9fans@9fans.net References: <0effcc39-7b03-4a1c-af30-36ffc6d97e2a@app.fastmail.com> From: Jacob Moody In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 3e96d1c4-bba2-11ee-b7e8-c18891c86b50 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UNDJmMTFlMDI2NWJjZmExOC1NMzQ3NGIzNzEwYmU4M2Y5MjZkZjhm?= =?UTF-8?B?ZTEzPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M3474b3710be83f926df8fe13:1:b7CV1nuS7mSmpiUQEf2eenktoBEMJy2qmgpvZgGw01Q Do you have specific issues with our code? All I've seen is vague finger po= inting. We don't need some authority to point at 9front and say its "mainline", peo= ple see where the effort is going, endorsement or not. On 1/25/24 10:44, Don Bailey wrote: > I'm not sure what all this was, so I didn't read most of it.=C2=A0 >=20 > If 9front becomes the "mainline" 9, I will stop using 9 altogether. Both = as a user and a developer.=C2=A0 >=20 > I trust the sources that come from 9legacy/9pio but I don't have any inte= rest in the mess of whatever 9front is supposed to be.=C2=A0 >=20 > D >=20 > On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 11:40=E2=80=AFAM hiro via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net = > wrote: >=20 > > I am not a fan of the weird 9front split from the standard repo. I= =E2=80=99d prefer the sources to be managed by the foundation and would lik= e to only receive patches through them. >=20 > Are you speaking as part of the foundation? As a developer? Or as a U= ser? >=20 > Me, as a user, I would also appreciate if the foundation (or the real > bell-labs unix room heritage, before the foundation existed) would > "manage" something. for example=C2=A0 development and continuous host= ing of > the sources server. This doesn't seem to be the case. >=20 > I also would appreciate the making available of patches by the > foundation. I have no clue where their codebase is moving in the last > few years as there was no single commit (or even simple patch via > email) received from them. >=20 > I think the reason the 9front repo is continuing to stay split "off" > is because the bell-labs servers have all been shut down. As a result > the community has stepped in to donate their own time, money, server > resources, sweat and blood, etc. to keep a usable plan 9 version and > community (that is willing to stay patches) alive. >=20 > It is extremely unfortunate, but the pressure behind the freely > contributed code ended up being stronger than the ability to negotiate > with the empty halls of bell-labs. So as a result lots of community > members are able to contribute quite effectively. >=20 > To me the legend of what must have been the unix room will always stay > alive, and I will continue to use it as a benchmark to measure my own > team's success against. But if I cannot be part of the group of cool > kids that came out of this, I can at least have my own bell-labs, with > blackjack and hookers. In my head. >=20 > Don, I wish you great technical collaborations. 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