Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

[stanley lieber <sl@9front.org>]

Skip Tavakkolian <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 11:43 AM stanley lieber <sl@9front.org> wrote:
>
>> Steven Stallion <sstallion@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net>
>wrote:
>> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:52:31PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
>> >>> > plan 9 as more than a masturbatory aid.
>> >>>
>> >>> put up or shut up:
>> >> ...
>> >> Congratulations on your accomplishments!
>> >
>> >% fn ck { grep $* /n/sources/patch/*/email
>/n/sources/patch/^(applied
>> >maybe saved sorry)^/*/email >[2]/dev/null |wc -l}
>> >% ck sstallion@gmail.com
>> >     28
>> >% ck khm@sciops.net
>> >      0
>> >
>> >Perhaps it's better to be known for the occasional masturbatory
>> >session than for being an incorrigible troll.
>> >
>> >Steve
>>
>> What's incorrigible is the way you people consistently reply to
>questions
>> from newbs with claims that it is trivial to do various tasks on Plan
>9
>> without ever quite revealing that 1.) it isn't, and 2.) you aren't
>really
>> referring to the task they suggested, anyway. Skip does this, Every.
>> Single. Time. What is the point?
>>
>
>you're assuming a person who is new to Plan 9, is new to computing,
>system
>admin or programming.
>
>easy means: "no different than setting up a cpu once you've configured
>your
>fs and auth".  adding entries for 8 rpi's in /lib/ndb/local and
>/cfg/pxe is
>as easy as cutting and pasting after the first one. they all run the
>same
>kernel.
>
>please take the hyperbole down a bit or provide instances for what you
>claim i did. the internet has a long memory; http links would be
>sufficient.
>
>regarding pi cluster, it was related to a work-in-progress i talked
>about
>at IWP9 2010.  i've shared as much detail as i could.
>
>
>> What do you use that rpi "cluster" for, Skip? Do you mean to imply
>some
>> the availability of some facility for process migration? You know
>none
>> exists.
>>
>> The latest amusing evolution is a parade of replies from the usual
>> suspects where it's never quite clear which of them are promoting or
>> denigrating the degraded web-centric nature of modern computing.
>First
>> various ribbons and medals associated with historic Plan 9 campaigns
>are
>> displayed and then the same noble campaigners suggest that Plan 9
>users are
>> cave men clinging to stone tools. I think the quips are so clever
>precisely
>> because their target is indeterminate. Great, you're funny, but
>again, what
>> is the point?
>>
>> How does any of this clarify matters for interested newbs?
>>
>> My personal favorite aspect of this tiresome dance is the eventual
>> denunciation of trolls. Here, in the spiritual home of Mark V Shaney!
>>
>> The problem is not trolling. The problem is low to medium quality
>> trolling, performed by armchair quarterbacks who want credit for
>being Plan
>> 9 Gandalfs but who are unwilling to provide the simple service of
>speaking
>> in words that make sense. Mothra forbid any should cast aspersions
>upon the
>> sacred world wide web,
>> bringer of the paycheck and dresser of the tongue.
>>
>
>and yet, it is you and your ilk who claim the mantle of the true
>keepers of
>the faith, beating back the evildoers.
>
>
>>
>> Kurt provides free hosting for the 9front mercurial repository, after
>> Google found better things to do with their time. Thanks, Kurt.
>>
>> sl
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"your ilk"

What does that mean, exactly, Skip?

http://fqa.9front.org

What I say is that Plan 9 runs on my computer and I use it to do the things I use computers for. Documentation of the hows and whys can be found at the URL above. 9fans manage to consistently make fun of this idea while somehow simultaneously retaining an incredibly easily offended sense of ownership over anything mentioned on 9fans since 1993. Which is the real you? And why do quips become verboten only after you've contributed the quips you wanted to contribute?

It's not so much keeping the flame as it is simply wanting to run the software to actually do things, and realizing that waiting for the last remaining Bell Labs staff working on Plan 9 to jump ship is a poor strategy for keeping the OS alive. We forked, and the OS lives.

Oblique references to a talk given six years ago about a project the details of which you can't reveal publicly is a good example of what I'm describing in this thread. What does this innuendo illuminate? Who does it help? Why even mention it when you can't elaborate? And this is what you dangle just over the heads of newbs? How about providing instead actual advice on how to get the OS to do something useful?

The best part about your challenge to produce links is that the 9fans web archive has been offline for close to a year. People objected when I made the claim 9fans quit bothering with Plan 9, but the status quo leans farther and farther away from it with each passing year. Alcatel-Lucent had to be pestered on Twitter just to get the sources machine back online.

sl