From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <20160831034806.GB19159@wopr> <957d9161a8fd44eb4411d5bf173ae80b@9netics.com> <20160831064010.GE19159@wopr> <97b4156d-9350-42c2-a573-3a6fe0ea80e9@email.android.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 From: stanley lieber Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 17:36:53 -0400 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Message-ID: <72f15b81-8550-44f7-9823-87100bd68978@email.android.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9ae31fda-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Skip Tavakkolian wrote: >On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 11:43 AM stanley lieber wrote: > >> Steven Stallion wrote: >> >> >On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Kurt H Maier >wrote: >> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:52:31PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: >> >>> > plan 9 as more than a masturbatory aid. >> >>> >> >>> put up or shut up: >> >> ... >> >> Congratulations on your accomplishments! >> > >> >% fn ck { grep $* /n/sources/patch/*/email >/n/sources/patch/^(applied >> >maybe saved sorry)^/*/email >[2]/dev/null |wc -l} >> >% ck sstallion@gmail.com >> > 28 >> >% ck khm@sciops.net >> > 0 >> > >> >Perhaps it's better to be known for the occasional masturbatory >> >session than for being an incorrigible troll. >> > >> >Steve >> >> What's incorrigible is the way you people consistently reply to >questions >> from newbs with claims that it is trivial to do various tasks on Plan >9 >> without ever quite revealing that 1.) it isn't, and 2.) you aren't >really >> referring to the task they suggested, anyway. Skip does this, Every. >> Single. Time. What is the point? >> > >you're assuming a person who is new to Plan 9, is new to computing, >system >admin or programming. > >easy means: "no different than setting up a cpu once you've configured >your >fs and auth". adding entries for 8 rpi's in /lib/ndb/local and >/cfg/pxe is >as easy as cutting and pasting after the first one. they all run the >same >kernel. > >please take the hyperbole down a bit or provide instances for what you >claim i did. the internet has a long memory; http links would be >sufficient. > >regarding pi cluster, it was related to a work-in-progress i talked >about >at IWP9 2010. i've shared as much detail as i could. > > >> What do you use that rpi "cluster" for, Skip? Do you mean to imply >some >> the availability of some facility for process migration? You know >none >> exists. >> >> The latest amusing evolution is a parade of replies from the usual >> suspects where it's never quite clear which of them are promoting or >> denigrating the degraded web-centric nature of modern computing. >First >> various ribbons and medals associated with historic Plan 9 campaigns >are >> displayed and then the same noble campaigners suggest that Plan 9 >users are >> cave men clinging to stone tools. I think the quips are so clever >precisely >> because their target is indeterminate. Great, you're funny, but >again, what >> is the point? >> >> How does any of this clarify matters for interested newbs? >> >> My personal favorite aspect of this tiresome dance is the eventual >> denunciation of trolls. Here, in the spiritual home of Mark V Shaney! >> >> The problem is not trolling. The problem is low to medium quality >> trolling, performed by armchair quarterbacks who want credit for >being Plan >> 9 Gandalfs but who are unwilling to provide the simple service of >speaking >> in words that make sense. Mothra forbid any should cast aspersions >upon the >> sacred world wide web, >> bringer of the paycheck and dresser of the tongue. >> > >and yet, it is you and your ilk who claim the mantle of the true >keepers of >the faith, beating back the evildoers. > > >> >> Kurt provides free hosting for the 9front mercurial repository, after >> Google found better things to do with their time. Thanks, Kurt. >> >> sl >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "your ilk" What does that mean, exactly, Skip? http://fqa.9front.org What I say is that Plan 9 runs on my computer and I use it to do the thin= gs I use computers for. Documentation of the hows and whys can be found a= t the URL above. 9fans manage to consistently make fun of this idea while= somehow simultaneously retaining an incredibly easily offended sense of = ownership over anything mentioned on 9fans since 1993. Which is the real = you? And why do quips become verboten only after you've contributed the q= uips you wanted to contribute? It's not so much keeping the flame as it is simply wanting to run the sof= tware to actually do things, and realizing that waiting for the last rema= ining Bell Labs staff working on Plan 9 to jump ship is a poor strategy f= or keeping the OS alive. We forked, and the OS lives. Oblique references to a talk given six years ago about a project the deta= ils of which you can't reveal publicly is a good example of what I'm desc= ribing in this thread. What does this innuendo illuminate? Who does it he= lp? Why even mention it when you can't elaborate? And this is what you da= ngle just over the heads of newbs? How about providing instead actual adv= ice on how to get the OS to do something useful? The best part about your challenge to produce links is that the 9fans web= archive has been offline for close to a year. People objected when I mad= e the claim 9fans quit bothering with Plan 9, but the status quo leans fa= rther and farther away from it with each passing year. Alcatel-Lucent had= to be pestered on Twitter just to get the sources machine back online. sl