[9fans] video of an acme session

[9fans] video of an acme session

[Skip Tavakkolian]

here's a screen capture of an acme session that might be useful to
those who are new to acme.  i've put the tools (mspy script and
tippi.c) that were used to follow the mouse buttons on sources.  with
brucee's help it went together quickly and he did the hard bit in mspy
plumbing.

i used the windows media encoder (free download from microsoft).

http://www.rangboom.com/videos/acme_session.wmv

Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

[Bruce Ellis]

no, skip did most of the work. i just reminded him how neat
plan9 is and, as usual, that most of the work is already done
for you.

brucee

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote:
> here's a screen capture of an acme session that might be useful to
> those who are new to acme.  i've put the tools (mspy script and
> tippi.c) that were used to follow the mouse buttons on sources.  with
> brucee's help it went together quickly and he did the hard bit in mspy
> plumbing.
>
> i used the windows media encoder (free download from microsoft).
>
> http://www.rangboom.com/videos/acme_session.wmv

Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

[Axel Belinfante]

> i used the windows media encoder (free download from microsoft).

that may or may not have been an unfortunate choice;
on a mac with osx 10.5 (leopard) I'm so far unable to view it.
(maybe a more experienced mac user can view it?)

Axel.

Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

[Geoffrey Avila]

I cheated and used XP on Parallels. Usually, Flip4Mac works with .wmvs,
but not this time. Is there supposed to be an audio track?

-GBA




> > i used the windows media encoder (free download from microsoft).
>
> that may or may not have been an unfortunate choice;
> on a mac with osx 10.5 (leopard) I'm so far unable to view it.
> (maybe a more experienced mac user can view it?)
>
> Axel.
>

Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

[Skip Tavakkolian]

> I cheated and used XP on Parallels. Usually, Flip4Mac works with .wmvs,
> but not this time. Is there supposed to be an audio track?

if i had a voice like forsyth, there might have been one.

besides, we didn't want to wake up tippi.

Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

[Uriel]

Ah, I love how 9fans has become a mac tech support group...

Maybe it is time we offocially rename the list to jobsFans or something.

uriel

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Geoffrey Avila <avlg@sdsc.edu> wrote:
>
>  I cheated and used XP on Parallels. Usually, Flip4Mac works with .wmvs,
>  but not this time. Is there supposed to be an audio track?
>
>  -GBA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  > > i used the windows media encoder (free download from microsoft).
>  >
>  > that may or may not have been an unfortunate choice;
>  > on a mac with osx 10.5 (leopard) I'm so far unable to view it.
>  > (maybe a more experienced mac user can view it?)
>  >
>  > Axel.
>  >
>
>

Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

[Bruce Ellis]

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brucee

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Uriel <uriel99@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ah, I love how 9fans has become a mac tech support group...
>
> Maybe it is time we offocially rename the list to jobsFans or something.
>
> uriel
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Geoffrey Avila <avlg@sdsc.edu> wrote:
> >
> >  I cheated and used XP on Parallels. Usually, Flip4Mac works with .wmvs,
> >  but not this time. Is there supposed to be an audio track?
> >
> >  -GBA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  > > i used the windows media encoder (free download from microsoft).
> >  >
> >  > that may or may not have been an unfortunate choice;
> >  > on a mac with osx 10.5 (leopard) I'm so far unable to view it.
> >  > (maybe a more experienced mac user can view it?)
> >  >
> >  > Axel.
> >  >
> >
> >
>

Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

[Skip Tavakkolian]

> that may or may not have been an unfortunate choice;
> on a mac with osx 10.5 (leopard) I'm so far unable to view it.
> (maybe a more experienced mac user can view it?)

maybe somebody can transcode it to mp4 or flash video.

Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

[lejatorn]

In case anyone's interested, here's a quick and dirty reencode in h264:

http://www.ipgp.jussieu.fr/~lonjaret/acme_session.avi

my encoding skills are rusty and it seems mencoder does not deal well
with .wmv as input, that's why the size is way bigger than the
original :/
but hey, b/w is cheap nowadays...
If requested, I'll try to do a better one later.

Cheers,
Mathieu.

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 02:42:04AM -0800, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> > that may or may not have been an unfortunate choice;
> > on a mac with osx 10.5 (leopard) I'm so far unable to view it.
> > (maybe a more experienced mac user can view it?)
>
> maybe somebody can transcode it to mp4 or flash video.
>

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Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

[Axel Belinfante]

thanks Mathieu, Skip, Brucee; looking at it now.

Axel.

> In case anyone's interested, here's a quick and dirty reencode in h264:
>
> http://www.ipgp.jussieu.fr/~lonjaret/acme_session.avi
>
> my encoding skills are rusty and it seems mencoder does not deal well
> with .wmv as input, that's why the size is way bigger than the
> original :/
> but hey, b/w is cheap nowadays...
> If requested, I'll try to do a better one later.
>
> Cheers,
> Mathieu.
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 02:42:04AM -0800, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> > > that may or may not have been an unfortunate choice;
> > > on a mac with osx 10.5 (leopard) I'm so far unable to view it.
> > > (maybe a more experienced mac user can view it?)
> >
> > maybe somebody can transcode it to mp4 or flash video.
> >
>
> --
> GPG key on subkeys.pgp.net:
>
> KeyID:	| Fingerprint:
> 683DE5F3 | 4324 5818 39AA 9545 95C6 09AF B0A4 DFEA 683D E5F3
> --

Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

[Skip Tavakkolian]

> > that may or may not have been an unfortunate choice;
> > on a mac with osx 10.5 (leopard) I'm so far unable to view it.
> > (maybe a more experienced mac user can view it?)
> 
> maybe somebody can transcode it to mp4 or flash video.

for mac users:
http://www.rangboom.com/videos/acme_session.mov

fearing reprisal, the person who created the quicktime version wants
to stay anonymous.  so, on behalf of myself and the entire mac support
team we would like to thank "audrey" for doing this ☺

Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

[Rob Pike]

There's something broken in that video.  The mouse doesn't move to the
selection on a button 3 operation.

-rob

Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

[Skip Tavakkolian]

> There's something broken in that video.  The mouse doesn't move to the
> selection on a button 3 operation.

good eye. yes i noticed it and briefly discussed it with brucee last night. i'm looking
at it now.

i fixed the (lack of) redrawing in tippi window after a move or reshape but before
any mouse activity.

Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

[Felipe Bichued]

somehow, i was only able to reproduce the bug if i had some selected
text in the tag bar, and tried to click over it with the 3rd button.
i'm not sure if that's the intended behavior, but it seems that it was
triggered by the expand function in /sys/src/cmd/acme/look.c.

	/* if in selection, choose selection */
	e->jump = TRUE;
	if(q1==q0 && t->q1>t->q0 && t->q0<=q0 && q0<=t->q1){
		q0 = t->q0;
		q1 = t->q1;
		if(t->what == Tag)
			e->jump = FALSE;
	}

removing the if along with it's body fixes it for me.

regards.

felipe

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote:
> > There's something broken in that video.  The mouse doesn't move to the
>  > selection on a button 3 operation.
>
>  good eye. yes i noticed it and briefly discussed it with brucee last night. i'm looking
>  at it now.
>
>  i fixed the (lack of) redrawing in tippi window after a move or reshape but before
>  any mouse activity.
>
>

Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

[Felipe Bichued]

 just to be clear, i meant the t->what == Tag check.

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Felipe Bichued <bichued@gmail.com> wrote:
> somehow, i was only able to reproduce the bug if i had some selected
>  text in the tag bar, and tried to click over it with the 3rd button.
>  i'm not sure if that's the intended behavior, but it seems that it was
>  triggered by the expand function in /sys/src/cmd/acme/look.c.
>
>         /* if in selection, choose selection */
>         e->jump = TRUE;
>         if(q1==q0 && t->q1>t->q0 && t->q0<=q0 && q0<=t->q1){
>                 q0 = t->q0;
>                 q1 = t->q1;
>                 if(t->what == Tag)
>                         e->jump = FALSE;
>         }
>
>  removing the if along with it's body fixes it for me.
>
>  regards.
>
>  felipe
>
>
>
>  On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote:
>  > > There's something broken in that video.  The mouse doesn't move to the
>  >  > selection on a button 3 operation.
>  >
>  >  good eye. yes i noticed it and briefly discussed it with brucee last night. i'm looking
>  >  at it now.
>  >
>  >  i fixed the (lack of) redrawing in tippi window after a move or reshape but before
>  >  any mouse activity.
>  >
>  >
>

Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

[Skip Tavakkolian]

>  just to be clear, i meant the t->what == Tag check.

that's not the problem. moveto is getting called (/sys/src/cmd/acme/look.c:149)
it also happens if you start rio with mspy. it's deeper.

Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

[Felipe Bichued]

>  that's not the problem. moveto is getting called (/sys/src/cmd/acme/look.c:149)
>  it also happens if you start rio with mspy. it's deeper.

all good. this is just another fine example of the XY problem.

Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

[Jack Johnson]

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Felipe Bichued <bichued@gmail.com> wrote:
>  all good. this is just another fine example of the XY problem.

¿Todos los problemas son masculinos?

When I was learning Spanish, I used to always screw up the gender of
the Greek words until I learned that all Greek words were masculine.
My female prof liked to remind me/us by saying, "All problems are
masculine."  I always thought it was a clever mnemonic device and jab.

Felipe's point being that the dearth of female coders in the Plan 9
community is the core of the problem. ;)

-Jack

Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

[Russ Cox]

> > There's something broken in that video.  The mouse doesn't move to the
> > selection on a button 3 operation.
>
> good eye. yes i noticed it and briefly discussed it with brucee last night. i'm looking
> at it now.

this is almost never acme's fault.

probably you were using vnc to connect,
and your vnc client doesn't support being
told by the server to move the mouse cursor.

> somehow, i was only able to reproduce the bug if i had some selected
> text in the tag bar, and tried to click over it with the 3rd button.
> i'm not sure if that's the intended behavior

it is.

russ

Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

[Skip Tavakkolian]

> this is almost never acme's fault.

that's right.

> probably you were using vnc to connect,
> and your vnc client doesn't support being
> told by the server to move the mouse cursor.

i was using drawterm. without tippi in between, it works as expected, but
the moveto has no effect with it in the mix. just verified that the same thing
happens with term.

Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

[Skip Tavakkolian]

> There's something broken in that video.  The mouse doesn't move to the
> selection on a button 3 operation.

Russ found the problem. synopsis: writes to /dev/mouse weren't being propagated.

the fix was simple and made the script even simpler. the good bits are:

bind '#|' /n/mouse
tippi <>[0]/dev/mouse <>[1]/n/mouse/data &
bind /n/mouse/data1 /dev/mouse

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